Eagles Offense, How did Roseman do it?

[borg]

NE has 131 for cap space for 2025.

Ring the tiny bell

 

[varjao]

Patriots recent drafts, basically if you got some college nerds who run mock drafts, they could perform better drafts than Belichick and company.

We are rock bottom in drafting to the point Kraft had to fire Belichick not because of his coaching (that was already declining for years) but because his whole operation wasn't working anymore but specially because of the drafts. If we were drafting right BB is still here.

 

[Grogan14]

Barkley’s monster year is in large part due to a monster O line coached by a blocking genius

 

[Real fan 02]

Eagles are showing that a dominating ground game never goes out of style. In fact, teams aren’t built to stop the run which is why it’s a mystery teams continue to devalue this. Running the ball well makes the passing game impossible to stop. Whether or not the Eagles win, more teams should make this a priority again.

I know a local team that won superbowls with that formula!!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Check this article...

How Does Eagles Roster Stack Up With Colleges That Have Produced Most NFL Players?

As we countdown the hours until the Eagles kick off the 2024 season, here is a look at how they stack up with the colleges that have produced the most players o

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Drafting majorly from powerhouse schools and few shots at outliers. We have been drafting a lot from D2 schools and other smaller schools instead of majorly focusing on SEC or big 10.

Level of competition at college level matters and I think that was not in our scouting algorithm.

Last years draft was:

1-UNC

2-Washington

3-Penn State

4-Texas A&M

4-UCF

6-South Carolina

7-Tennessee

7-Florida State


So they apparently went back to a bigger School preference in the 24’Draft.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Eagles currently have $19 mill in cap space
NE has $120 mill in cap space

Thunder says: "Isn't our remodeled inland lighthouse with tiny bell a game changer"

Lighthouse is ugly and the Bell is a joke.
What a waste of $.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I know a local team that won superbowls with that formula!!

That was the formula for every team for many years, but now it seems as though fans want their team to air it out first.

 

[Triumph]

Roseman is one of the best GMs in the NFL and has been drafting up great Eagles teams for decades.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Thanks for posting this. Lurie figured it out. He gave Roseman all the infrastructure he needs. Coaches, motivators, enforcers, front office, facilities, scouts. It's so solid that they don't miss Kelce. Their coach is average. Doesn't ****ing matter.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Philly has a great shot at beating KC, if Washington made it I would just hand the trophy the KC now.

 

[n1997y]

Eagles are showing that a dominating ground game never goes out of style. In fact, teams aren’t built to stop the run which is why it’s a mystery teams continue to devalue this. Running the ball well makes the passing game impossible to stop. Whether or not the Eagles win, more teams should make this a priority again.

I think the problem is building a good O line that can run block and also protect the passer, without telegraphing which is coming so the D has to defend both. That’s why the RPO is popular, it’s a system designed to do both on the fly, but it still depends on having the right personnel to run it. I’m really curious to see if Josh’s updates incorporate a lot of RPO concepts. That just gave me a crazy thought, how about playing Milton and Maye together in an RPO offense as a regular thing? I think that would be fun to watch!

 

[KCSVEN]

Difference between the Eagles and the Patriot drafting is solely the Eagles do a better job in rounds 1-2. There hit rate for contributing players from rounds 1 and 2 is the highest if the 10 teams I analyzed. They dominate round 2 picks at double the succcess rate of other teams
Round 3 they are equal to Pats and rounds 4-7 Pats are twice as good as Eagles.
Just confirms everything I’ve been saying since I did the analysis. Picks from round 4 to 7 have very little value overall in the long run.
You should always be moving up in the draft using those lower picks
Absolutely must hit on your pick in the first round
If 50% of your second round, you’re golden
Average team is 1 out of every 3 in the 2nd round, but the Eagles have been hitting on 2 of every 3 2nd rounder.

To say the Patriots are bad at drafting just means they’re bad at drafting in the first and second round. They are above average in the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. 7th round is close to average.
Unfortunately, it’s the picks in the first two rounds that matter the most

 

[Real fan 02]

That was the formula for every team for many years, but now it seems as though fans want their team to air it out first.

Indy had a great running game but they were the Harrison and Wayne air show.. is why they never won deep in the post season.. we always had stout lines OL and DL.. so happy to see Vrabel is reinforcing this. Absolutely love the Marrone hire.

 

[Real fan 02]

Roseman is one of the best GMs in the NFL and has been drafting up great Eagles teams for decades.

The ony problem is we had a great HC/GM in NE that was winning Lombardis who overshadowed roseman

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Difference between the Eagles and the Patriot drafting is solely the Eagles do a better job in rounds 1-2. There hit rate for contributing players from rounds 1 and 2 is the highest if the 10 teams I analyzed. They dominate round 2 picks at double the succcess rate of other teams
Round 3 they are equal to Pats and rounds 4-7 Pats are twice as good as Eagles.
Just confirms everything I’ve been saying since I did the analysis. Picks from round 4 to 7 have very little value overall in the long run.
You should always be moving up in the draft using those lower picks
Absolutely must hit on your pick in the first round
If 50% of your second round, you’re golden
Average team is 1 out of every 3 in the 2nd round, but the Eagles have been hitting on 2 of every 3 2nd rounder.

To say the Patriots are bad at drafting just means they’re bad at drafting in the first and second round. They are above average in the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. 7th round is close to average.
Unfortunately, it’s the picks in the first two rounds that matter the most

Agreed. How do we fix the problem?

1. Fire Wolf and Groh
2. Stop trading down

 

[FCB02062]

I think it was Breer who was talking about this topic on 98.5. He said one of the biggest credits to Roseman/Philadelphia is recognizing mistakes quickly. He gave the example of Jalen Reagor. They drafted Reagor at 17, realized he sucked, then went right back the next year and got devonta smith at 10. Breer contrasted that with the Pats drafting of Harry...they drafted him in the first round at 32...it was obvious he was not an nfl receiver pretty early in his first season....did they try to draft another receiver to replace Harry? No, they waited two full seasons to draft another receiver high in the draft - second rounder on another bust in thornton.

 

[jmt57]

Regarding the offensive line:

What happened in New England was that Dante Scarnecchia retired. Outside of an occasional early draft pick (Matt Light, 2nd round, 2001; Logan Mankins, #32, 2005; Sebastian Vollmer, 2nd round, 2009; Nate Solder, #17, 2011), the Patriots did not expend relatively much draft capital on the offensive line. They didn't have to, thanks to Scar. They were able to field a good o-line with other teams castoffs (Dan Connolly, for example). That allowed the team to use prime draft capital in other areas.

Then a combination of picks on the OL that didn't live up to their draft status whether it be due to health, injuries or something else (Antonio Garcia, Isaiah Wynn, Yodny Cajuste) coinciding with Scar's retirement, and the OL regressed - massively. It was a fast moving perfect storm for a catastrophic collapse, with a severe decline in both the quality of the players as well as the quality of the coaching and scheming.

A weak offensive line is equivalent to a weak foundation on a building. That has to be fixed and reinforced first.

 

[patfanken]

Hurts- 2nd round draft pick
Saquon Barkley -UFA signing
AJ Brown- trade with Titans
Devonta Smith- 1st round draft pick (10th)...consequence of Carson went trade)
Goedart- 2nd Round draft pick
Jordan Mailllata- 7th round pick, scouted him as New Zealand rigby player
****erson- 2nd Rounder (#44) Draft pick
Jurgens 2nd Rounder (#51) Draft pick
Bekhton-UFA from Jets (first rounder)
Lane Johnson-first round draft pick, 4th overall


In short he did everything right, Everything that BB and Wolf have done wrong
1, shrewd drafting; 4 2nd rounders, 2 first rounders
2, Great UFA pick ups- 2 former high first rounders
3. Great scouting- Jordan Maillata was a 7th rounder that the Eagles had scouted as a rugby player he is now a dominant OL

How about Pats last year how did they acquire their players?



Maye- draft pick, high first rounder (3)
Stevenson- fourth round draft pick
Demario Douglas- 6th round draft pick
Boutte- 6th round draft pick
Bourne- UFA, undrafted
Henry- UFA, 2nd rounder (35)
Lowe- trade (6th rounder)
Robinsonn 4th round draft pick
Strange first round draft pick
Onwenu 6th round draft pick (182)
Jacobs- waivers

Draft picks- 2 first rounder, 1 fourth rounder, 4 6th rounders
Waivers- 1 crappy OT
trade- i bad OT,
UFA- 1 2nd round UFA good but not great TE, 1 undrafted UFA mediocre wide receiver


bottom line, Howie had 6 outstanding draft picks in first and 2nd round compared with 2 for Patriots, Howie made a shrewd trade for an impact player AJ Brown, Pats made a trade for Vederian Lowe
Roseman made brilliant high profile UFA signings at key positions- Barkley and Bekhton
Great scouting took a risk in 7th round on a player with an incredibly high ceiling and it paisd off

Howie has drafted incredibly well in rounds day 1 and 2 and rewarded with elite players, BB and Wolfe have had numerous early round failures and are forced to play 6th round draft picks with low ceilings, Howie nailed his UFA signings...Pats have failed.

I hope Eliott becomes like Howie but he needs to take on more risk and go for homers.

pretty concise analysis, but I can't help people now being in awe about the Bechton signing when his name was mentioned as a possible Pats pick up, it was met with almost UNIVERSAL eye rolls, because of his prior production and injury history. I know we are in an era where rewriting the past is the common practice (and yes I have a masters in American History), it doesn't change the fact that IF we had signed Bechton the immediate reaction on this board would have been derision.

That's not to say Rose's acquisition wasn't a good one or a smart one. I just don't want people to suggest that NOW, with 20-20 hindsight, it's something we should have done all along. Its almost like one of those threads where 3 years after the fact. we see one those, "we could have drafted him" comments.

 

[Toofy]

Howie Roseman has hit home runs with his last four Eagles second-round selections

The NFL Draft can be a crap shoot, but Howie Roseman has been MONEY on Day 2, particularly in the second round.

insidetheiggles.com

another great article which reiterates the analysis posted by one of the posters above on roseman's hit ratio with second round picks. its 100% over last 4 years including drafting the franchise QB

Hurts
Landon ****erson( pro bowl last 3 years) - taken at 37 Jalynn polk position
Cooper dejean
cam jurgens

our second rounders have been

1. Barmore - Hit
2. Thornton - Bust
3. Polk - Trending to Bust
4. White - average

 

[mike_usagisan]

Regarding the offensive line:

What happened in New England was that Dante Scarnecchia retired. Outside of an occasional early draft pick (Matt Light, 2nd round, 2001; Logan Mankins, #32, 2005; Sebastian Vollmer, 2nd round, 2009; Nate Solder, #17, 2011), the Patriots did not expend relatively much draft capital on the offensive line. They didn't have to, thanks to Scar. They were able to field a good o-line with other teams castoffs (Dan Connolly, for example). That allowed the team to use prime draft capital in other areas.

Then a combination of picks on the OL that didn't live up to their draft status whether it be due to health, injuries or something else (Antonio Garcia, Isaiah Wynn, Yodny Cajuste) coinciding with Scar's retirement, and the OL regressed - massively. It was a fast moving perfect storm for a catastrophic collapse, with a severe decline in both the quality of the players as well as the quality of the coaching and scheming.

A weak offensive line is equivalent to a weak foundation on a building. That has to be fixed and reinforced first.

And if you connect a few more dots, as the OL got worse, Mac got worse. As Mac got worse, Bill got fired.