Drake Maye is the Most Valuable Player in the NFL

[Grogan14]

I do not understand how you leave Daniels out of the equation. He has been much better than Maye this year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If Detroit wins the Super Bowl, Ben Johnson will be a really hot candidate. Maye, cap space and potentially high draft picks will be attractive to him. If Bob sticks with Mayo, the Pats will be stuck in purgatory.

 

[goheels22002]

Quiz:

1. How much would the Jets have to give the Patriots to take Aaron Rodgers off their hands in excchange for Drake Maye?

2. If Drake Maye were to be traded to the Jets for Aaron Rodgers and a whole lot more, would he ever make the playoffs?

3. Would you trade Drake Maye to the Dallas Cowboys for Dak Prescott with his current contract and the Cowboys #1 pick in 2025?

 

[archstanton543]

Quiz:

1. How much would the Jets have to give the Patriots to take Aaron Rodgers off their hands in excchange for Drake Maye?

2. If Drake Maye were to be traded to the Jets for Aaron Rodgers and a whole lot more, would he ever make the playoffs?

3. Would you trade Drake Maye to the Dallas Cowboys for Dak Prescott with his current contract and the Cowboys #1 pick in 2025?

1. Infinity dollars.
2. No.
3. No.

 

[Clonamery]

If Detroit wins the Super Bowl, Ben Johnson will be a really hot candidate. Maye, cap space and potentially high draft picks will be attractive to him. If Bob sticks with Mayo, the Pats will be stuck in purgatory.

Ben Johnson is already a hot candidate.

 

[Real fan 02]

This coming off-season:
Patriots would not trade Maye to any team for any 1 player.
Every team in the NFL, this off-season should trade any 1 player they have for Drake Maye....and throw in at least a 2nd round pick.

This is different than if you needed to win a game tomorrow would you start Drake Maye over Allen, Herbert etc. (though might be 6 guys Max in that scenario)

The reasoning is Maye is 23 next season and on a rookie contract and will be a top 3 QB in 2025.

Everything is not so bad when you have the most valuable player in the NFL.

Also, before the draft I said I would have traded three #1 picks for Maye if I had to move up, of course that included the current year, so you were giving up two future #1 picks to move up. Many thought that was crazy.
If Giants finish 1st overall this year, or any team, would you trade Maye for two #1 picks including #1 overall this year? How about 3 #1 picks? Didn't think so.

I wouldn't trade a franchise QB for ANYTHING. It took us 5 seasons to finally get another QB in Foxborough and I don't want to experience not having one again. So I like your thoughts and I agree 100% Drake is definitely the MVP given what he is and my prediction by seasons send is he's firmly in the top 10 QB discussion.

 

[KCSVEN]

I do not understand how you leave Daniels out of the equation. He has been much better than Maye this year.

NO he hasn't, his processing is still slow, teams have figured out since the Ravens game he doesn't like the middle of the field so he's 60% completion % since then. While Maye played more than half his starts against teams top 7 in Yard per attempt on defense, Daniels has only played 1 team that was in the top 7 and did poorly,
Something like 90% of Daniels passes in 1 game were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. They've built a system to limit the fact he can't throw consistently to the middle of the field and is slow to go through reads.

When Daniels decides to run, he runs, he's missing many opportunities by not looking up, and not running it at the elite level I expected, Maye has been a better runner which is the one thing I have Daniels rated better at, but I guess i discounted Maye's ankle injury last year.

Just watch Maye's last game and try to find any game this year where Daniels looks remotely close to that on tape? Maye has 5 ridiculous processing and throws a game, Daniels has 4 for the year?

I can't find anyone that has analyzed the tape of the 2 and puts Daniels anywhere near Maye.

Stats are meaningless, put Maye on Washington he'd have better stats than Daniels. Put Daniels on Pats his stats are worse.
Add in Daniels age, the fact run first QB's get hurt, already has been, and the # of college games he already played vs Maye means his upside is also much more limited.

 

[Jim Beankie]

...what he's doing as a rookie with the worst Offensive Line any rookie QB has had going back to 2006 at least. Other teams would see this.

Did you miss the Bears game? Also, the pressure rate for Caleb is a fair bit higher at this point, with the same pocket time.

I've really liked what I've seen from Maye, but 2 game ending INTs without the need to press in 5 valid games is slightly disconcerting. Currently chalking it up to a part of his development.

 

[JohnJH]

This coming off-season:
Patriots would not trade Maye to any team for any 1 player.
Every team in the NFL, this off-season should trade any 1 player they have for Drake Maye....and throw in at least a 2nd round pick.

This is different than if you needed to win a game tomorrow would you start Drake Maye over Allen, Herbert etc. (though might be 6 guys Max in that scenario)

The reasoning is Maye is 23 next season and on a rookie contract and will be a top 3 QB in 2025.

Everything is not so bad when you have the most valuable player in the NFL.

Also, before the draft I said I would have traded three #1 picks for Maye if I had to move up, of course that included the current year, so you were giving up two future #1 picks to move up. Many thought that was crazy.
If Giants finish 1st overall this year, or any team, would you trade Maye for two #1 picks including #1 overall this year? How about 3 #1 picks? Didn't think so.

I would not trade Maye period!

 

[KCSVEN]

Did you miss the Bears game? Also, the pressure rate for Caleb is a fair bit higher at this point, with the same pocket time.

I've really liked what I've seen from Maye, but 2 game ending INTs without the need to press in 5 valid games is slightly disconcerting. Currently chalking it up to a part of his development.

Williams holds the ball too long, his line is average historically for Pass block win rate. Last game the new OC went to short passes and 1 read and run looks to alleviate that, worked pretty well. Maye's line is so bad they had to extend the graph for him
Herbert rookie year had 100 catches from Keenan Allen, had Mike Williams, Austin Ekeler and Hunter Henry all in their prime.
Curious what Henry would say about Maye as a rookie vs Herbert? Bet he'd say they were similar.

 

[JohnJH]

NO he hasn't, his processing is still slow, teams have figured out since the Ravens game he doesn't like the middle of the field so he's 60% completion % since then. While Maye played more than half his starts against teams top 7 in Yard per attempt on defense, Daniels has only played 1 team that was in the top 7 and did poorly,
Something like 90% of Daniels passes in 1 game were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. They've built a system to limit the fact he can't throw consistently to the middle of the field and is slow to go through reads.

When Daniels decides to run, he runs, he's missing many opportunities by not looking up, and not running it at the elite level I expected, Maye has been a better runner which is the one thing I have Daniels rated better at, but I guess i discounted Maye's ankle injury last year.

Just watch Maye's last game and try to find any game this year where Daniels looks remotely close to that on tape? Maye has 5 ridiculous processing and throws a game, Daniels has 4 for the year?

I can't find anyone that has analyzed the tape of the 2 and puts Daniels anywhere near Maye.

Stats are meaningless, put Maye on Washington he'd have better stats than Daniels. Put Daniels on Pats his stats are worse.
Add in Daniels age, the fact run first QB's get hurt, already has been, and the # of college games he already played vs Maye means his upside is also much more limited.

Correct. I said before the draft that Daniels did not like throwing between the hash marks, whereas Maye could put the ball between them and anywhere else on the field. And, he has superior size and arm strength compared to Daniels. Maye also had the worst supporting cast on offense than any of the QB's taken in the first two rounds of the 2024 Draft.

 

[Clonamery]

Williams holds the ball too long, his line is average historically for Pass block win rate. Last game the new OC went to short passes and 1 read and run looks to alleviate that, worked pretty well. Maye's line is so bad they had to extend the graph for him
Herbert rookie year had 100 catches from Keenan Allen, had Mike Williams, Austin Ekeler and Hunter Henry all in their prime.
Curious what Henry would say about Maye as a rookie vs Herbert? Bet he'd say they were similar.

Stats are meaningless.

 

[KCSVEN]

Correct. I said before the draft that Daniels did not like throwing between the hash marks, whereas Maye could put the ball between them and anywhere else on the field. And, he has superior size and arm strength compared to Daniels. Maye also had the worst supporting cast on offense than any of the QB's taken in the first two rounds of the 2024 Draft.

Wait, did I open a second account and post this? LOL
I need to follow you, clearly you are very intelligent!
Amazingly it really was that easy to see and still is.

 

[KCSVEN]

Stats are meaningless.

Stats are one part of the equation but stats can be misleading so you need to analyze multiple things to come to a final conclusion which may or may not back up what the stats say.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Quiz:

1. How much would the Jets have to give the Patriots to take Aaron Rodgers off their hands in excchange for Drake Maye?

2. If Drake Maye were to be traded to the Jets for Aaron Rodgers and a whole lot more, would he ever make the playoffs?

3. Would you trade Drake Maye to the Dallas Cowboys for Dak Prescott with his current contract and the Cowboys #1 pick in 2025?

1. Maybe mayo can get lost in Fraudgers dark room with him if they did this…I’d take 10 1st round picks to see that happen. You’d have to give me picks to take him.

2. Drake would get ruined. So no.

3. Wtfh why? lol. DaksDone…

 

[Clonamery]

Stats are one part of the equation but stats can be misleading so you need to analyze multiple things to come to a final conclusion which may or may not back up what the stats say.

You can also use the eye test and watch the player in a live NFL game. The Ghost of Paul Brown agrees with me. It's pretty ****ing obvious that he can be the 2nd best QB this franchise has had if all goes relatively well (injury, $, character, etc.).

 

[Steve102]

I wouldn't trade him for pretty much anyone right now, but hold up on MVP a bit for now. The Kid has a very bright future, and @Clonamery is correct, he could be the the 2nd best QB for this franchise. I just don't want to get too excited. He passes the eye test, for sure, but he's got a ways to go still. I certainly wish he had better coaching.

The funny thing is, you never want to be the guy who follows The Guy. Mac was the guy who followed Brady. Shut up about Cam Newton. Now we have the Next Guy. Good stuff. The same thing can be said for Bill and Mayo, me thinks.

 

[Grogan14]

Stats are not meaningless and they are not for losers. Both the stats and the eye test say Daniels is more accurate, more dynamic and a better creator than Maye.
Maye is excellent and promising but Daniels is better.
I guaranteee you DC would not trade Daniels for Maye.

Maye is progressing nicely but I think this thread is over rating him based on what we have seen so far. Top 3 qb in 25…..no

 

[archstanton543]

I wouldn't trade him for pretty much anyone right now, but hold up on MVP a bit for now. The Kid has a very bright future, and @Clonamery is correct, he could be the the 2nd best QB for this franchise. I just don't want to get too excited. He passes the eye test, for sure, but he's got a ways to go still. I certainly wish he had better coaching.

The funny thing is, you never want to be the guy who follows The Guy. Mac was the guy who followed Brady. Shut up about Cam Newton. Now we have the Next Guy. Good stuff. The same thing can be said for Bill and Mayo, me thinks.

Cam was the guy after Brady. Facts are facts.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

There really is no good explanation for the game ending pass last weekend, except that maybe he felt pressure to his right side and rushed it (that DE ended up falling down so there wasn't any threat). If Maye actually meant to throw it there because he thought Pop was going more vertical, that route wasn't open, the safety who intercepted it was right in that spot. So I'd like to understand what Maye was seeing/doing on that play.

That aside, Drake's composure, ability to process, throw to all areas, throw on the run, run it himself, and be a leader look pretty special to say the least. He's already a stud as McVey said after the game, and will certainly become better within the next year. But when you watch a Detroit, you realize how weak we are at all other offensive positions: WR, OL, RB, even TE. I don't think any of our 10 other starters would start for them. For that reason it will take Maye at least 2-3 years to reach his potential.