Drake Maye has arrived . . .

[rogerthat]

I'll be 100% honest: I saw the potential, but I never imagined that he would be this good this fast. The physical tools are elite among the elite and now the other stuff is starting to come. This kid could be something very, very special.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL! I get you schtick is being the board contrarian, but nothing I said was untrue.

I was never down on Maye and even when people were trashing him last year and in the preseason, I always preached patience. I was never wrong about Maye and I don't have to claim anything. Young players develop. Some fast. Some slow. Some very little. People don't talk about a year two jump in production for QBs because it doesn't exist.

Maye came into the league raw. It isn't deniable. Maybe not as raw as Josh Allen was, but far more so than Jayden Daniels.

And stats don't mean anything. Look at the throws he is making in the last two weeks compared to what was doing in week 1 and 2. He is now making throws that only a very small handful other QBs in the league can make. He wasn't making those throws in week 1 or 2. If cannot see the massive development over this season, you ain't looking.

No schtick. But of course you stick to “I am wrong 101” by attacking the arguer because you can’t attack the argument.

You don’t “come into the league raw” and by 6 games into your second season have a higher completion percentage AND yards per attempt than Tom Brady ever had in a season. You ding do that with “mechanic issues@.

Stats don’t mean anything. Great argument.
He exactly made those throws in week 1 and 2. You seem to be confused that he is taking what the defense is giving and playing a different game each week based upon game plan and scheme. He is making every throw he decides to make. He did it week 1 and every week since. He has been the model of consistency.

You created a belief and it has been proven wrong so you moved the goalposts to “he changed”

 

[Ring 6]

I'll be 100% honest: I saw the potential, but I never imagined that he would be this good this fast. The physical tools are elite among the elite and now the other stuff is starting to come. This kid could be something very, very special.

You can’t see the great mental and conceptual part of a qb until you see it.

 

[Uptown]

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

BTW, Bedard said it first so I don’t want to take credit for it, Maye is starting to look to me like a young Aaron Rodgers more and more than a young Josh Allen. Hopefully he can be Rodgers 2.0 without the baggage and choking in the playoffs.

I think we're safe there.
Maye seems like a normal guy with a normal wife.
I haven't heard of any excursions to the local Mass caves for a darkness retreat.

 

[Rob0729]

No schtick. But of course you stick to “I am wrong 101” by attacking the arguer because you can’t attack the argument.

You don’t “come into the league raw” and by 6 games into your second season have a higher completion percentage AND yards per attempt than Tom Brady ever had in a season. You ding do that with “mechanic issues@.

Stats don’t mean anything. Great argument.
He exactly made those throws in week 1 and 2. You seem to be confused that he is taking what the defense is giving and playing a different game each week based upon game plan and scheme. He is making every throw he decides to make. He did it week 1 and every week since. He has been the model of consistency.

You created a belief and it has been proven wrong so you moved the goalposts to “he changed”

Ok you win. Maye came into the league exactly like this. He hasn't grown a bit since day one. We reached his ceiling. He is the same guy he was last year. He is the exact same guy week one of this season as today. The guy is incapable of improving.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok you win. Maye came into the league exactly like this. He hasn't grown a bit since day one. We reached his ceiling. He is the same guy he was last year. He is the exact same guy week one of this season as today. The guy is incapable of improving.

Again move the goal posts. As I said every player develops.
No one disputes that.
You didn’t say that, you said this:

Nah! It was accurate. Last year, his footwork was awful at times. He would bail pocket too easily a lot. His mechanics were awful at times. He had zero pocket presence at times (hence why he turned over the ball far more than he is now).

The guy came into the league raw. He was a work in progress. It is not a knock on him. It is a credit to him how much he has progressed in such a short period of time.

Which is wrong. Which you know because you proceeded to move the goalposts and change your argument.

 

[KCSVEN]

FWIW Maye is up to #5 in PFF QB rating.

Darnold 93.7
Prescott: 91.3
Stafford: 90.5
Allen: 86.3
Maye 83.9
Love 83.0
Mayfield: 82.6
Herbert: 81.4
Jones: 79.9
Rattler; 78.2

Technically, Mariota would actually be #2 but only 2 games played, That Washington offense is very good to QB's

Maye had Career high 91 rating vs Saints. He'd be ahead of Allen if you just counted passes, but Josh gets a large bump from his runs.

 

[Rob0729]

Again move the goal posts. As I said every player develops.
No one disputes that.
You didn’t say that, you said this:



Which is wrong. Which you know because you proceeded to move the goalposts and change your argument.

Andy, when you use these buzz phrases like "move the goalpost" you might want to know what the phrase actually means. In no way did I move the goalpost. Not even remotely. My point has always been the same. He came into the league raw, he had some significant issues last year and and in the preseason and at times early in this season to work on and he has improved significantly. I have not moved this stance one iota.

Again, this tribute to Maye, not a knock. This is Brady like. Brady was always improving his game. Even later in his career you could see significant growth from him him from one year to the next and he was significantly different QB in 2014 than he was in 2004 (relatively, not that he went from a pocket passer to a mobile QB, but that his awareness, throwing motion, his ability to read defenses, etc. were far more advanced over that decade). We seeing much of that trait from Maye.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, when you use these buzz phrases like "move the goalpost" you might want to know what the phrase actually means. In no way did I move the goalpost. Not even remotely. My point has always been the same. He came into the league raw, he had some significant issues last year and and in the preseason and at times early in this season to work on and he has improved significantly. I have not moved this stance one iota.

Again, this tribute to Maye, not a knock. This is Brady like. Brady was always improving his game. Even later in his career you could see significant growth from him him from one year to the next and he was significantly different QB in 2014 than he was in 2004 (relatively, not that he went from a pocket passer to a mobile QB, but that his awareness, throwing motion, his ability to read defenses, etc. were far more advanced over that decade). We seeing much of that trait from Maye.

Of course you did. You moved it from he was raw to disagreeing means “he can’t improve and has hit his ceiling”.

And your point is wrong.

You believed something when he was drafted. You watched him play in front of the worst OL and with the worst WRs in the NFL with pathetic coaching and blamed things on him being “raw” to support your preconceived notion.

Let’s just do this. What is more likely. If he had last years coaching staff, weapons and OL he would look as good as he is now or if last year he had this years weapons, OL and cus hung he would look a lot like this year and the things you are blaming in him won’t have been there.

 

[Thelonious]

Let's say I'm traveling from Pittsfield to Cape Cod, and if I get to Northampton by noon, I'm right on time. Then let's say noon arrives, and I find I have gotten all the way to Worcester. Maybe Worcester is not exactly the ideal place to be (!), but I am ahead of schedule.

So Drake's in Worcester. Fortunately, for his sake and ours, he's still driving east.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Rob0729]

Of course you did. You moved it from he was raw to disagreeing means “he can’t improve and has hit his ceiling”.

And your point is wrong.

You believed something when he was drafted. You watched him play in front of the worst OL and with the worst WRs in the NFL with pathetic coaching and blamed things on him being “raw” to support your preconceived notion.

Let’s just do this. What is more likely. If he had last years coaching staff, weapons and OL he would look as good as he is now or if last year he had this years weapons, OL and cus hung he would look a lot like this year and the things you are blaming in him won’t have been there.

I was being sarcastic.

He had crap around him and he was raw and needed to be developed. These aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

Go back and look at all scouting reports. They the same thing. He was raw coming in. He limited starts in college career. And he played on an offense with a crap offensive line which made him play with a less disciplined style. He was the #3 pick because off the chart physical skills and his high ceiling and not as much as his college production. That is why the Bears ridiculed his reel film and removed him from the first round on their draft board all together. There was a lot of bad, bad play on his films to remove him.

 

[Uptown]

Drake Maye makes 3rd & longs feel like the Tush Push lol.

 

[Rob0729]

Never forget:

 

[mayoclinic]

Let's say I'm traveling from Pittsfield to Cape Cod, and if I get to Northampton by noon, I'm right on time. Then let's say noon arrives, and I find I have gotten all the way to Worcester. Maybe Worcester is not exactly the ideal place to be (!), but I am ahead of schedule.

So Drake's in Worcester. Fortunately, for his sake and ours, he's still driving east.

NO ONE wants to be in Worcester. Keep going.

 

[Ring 6]

I was being sarcastic.

He had crap around him and he was raw and needed to be developed. These aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

Go back and look at all scouting reports. They the same thing. He was raw coming in. He limited starts in college career. And he played on an offense with a crap offensive line which made him play with a less disciplined style. He was the #3 pick because off the chart physical skills and his high ceiling and not as much as his college production. That is why the Bears ridiculed his reel film and removed him from the first round on their draft board all together. There was a lot of bad, bad play on his films to remove him.

See this is exactly my point. You had a preconceived misconception and you won’t let go of it. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

Look at your comments

You admit that he had crap around him. Yet he still played well while being held back by it.

Scouting reports. Please
Playing 2 years in college instead of 4 isn’t proof you are underdeveloped, just potential. He has disproven that.
Playing in a crap offense again masks his abilities.
He was the #3 pick because he was the #3 pick. You didn’t make the pick, so your opinion of why has no value.
Really you are using the bears as your argument?

There absolutely was not bad, bad play on his film

You keep digging deeper holes.

 

[Ring 6]

I was being sarcastic.

He had crap around him and he was raw and needed to be developed. These aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

Go back and look at all scouting reports. They the same thing. He was raw coming in. He limited starts in college career. And he played on an offense with a crap offensive line which made him play with a less disciplined style. He was the #3 pick because off the chart physical skills and his high ceiling and not as much as his college production. That is why the Bears ridiculed his reel film and removed him from the first round on their draft board all together. There was a lot of bad, bad play on his films to remove him.

Interesting and tellingly you refused to answer my question. Why?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Drake Maye makes 3rd & longs feel like the Tush Push lol.

Funny you mention that.
The Brady years if we took a holding penalty and started 1st and 20 it was no big deal.
Post Brady, every time we took a holding penalty on 1st down my immediate thought was, "well this drive is over".
With Maye this year, we are back to being able to overcome adverse down and distances again.
It's a very, very nice feeling!