Drafting A Quarterback

[luuked]

Next guy search will be a tough go of it. Brisset could have developed.

He was about to get cut last season at the end of camp. The source for this is a QuickSlants episode a few weeks back. He could not hit a barndoor in camp and the team frustrated by his lack of development moved on. Amazing that they got anything back in a trade.

 

[luuked]

Instead of saying I'm an "idiot", why don't you tell the class why it would be a good idea to draft a QB high when the big rumor was that Brady wanted Jimmy G traded? And why don't you tell us why they should take a QB that high if you are trying to put the best team together for a 41 year old QB?

Because the Patriots had zero leverage to extend him and JG wanted to play.

There was no way to extend him without a franchise tag. And a franchise tag would have meant either a) giving up on winning with Brady and releasing players just to have the same issue a year later, b) restructure everyone and push on the debt into the very same future where you plan to win with JG or c) trade Brady.

Also you definitely are an idiot if you believe in Felger-esque rumors like Brady wanting someone traded. As if BB gives two ****s about Brady’s opinion on roster building or would take any interference from Kraft.

This board is funny. If you don't agree with everything the Pats do, you must be an "idiot"

No. It is just that your entire JG take is idiotic and goes against everything BB stands for in terms of cap management and roster building.

 

[primetime]

A player whose option is picked up could hold out, à la OBJ. If Garoppolo had been a first-rounder, and the Pats picked up the option, that $13M would've become fully guaranteed the moment the league year began. He could've held out for a new deal, not report until Week 1, and still get the full $13M.

Sure, but ODB had a lot more leverage than Garoppolo would have in that case. Backup QBs aren't exactly commanding the kind of accommodation that WR1s are.

 

[maineman209]

ongoing ball-washing

You can go f**k off with that kinda sh*t.

So, all Brissett needs to blossom into a great starter is: the right coaching, the right supporting cast, the right scheme? I'll add to that the right mechanics -- which has been his shortcoming all along.

And that's not what I wrote - not even f**king close. WTF part of "Reich and Sirianni could be much better for Brissett" is even close to "ball-washing"? You think that taking into account the context in which Brissett was working last season is f**king "ball-washing"??

It seems to me that your own opinion of Brissett is causing you to project some extreme opposite onto any even-handed comment about him.

Remember: Belichick called the Colts about Dorsett.

Having just lost both Edelman and Mitchell, it makes sense that the Pats would be looking for a WR.

 

[maineman209]

so you say

I would say that higher Wonderlics are correlated with better results for quarterbacks and for OL's.

I suspect that the test shouldn't be given if the coaches found no use for them.

I don't now if the coaches have anything much to say about them one way or another. It's a "feature" included in the Combine in perhaps the same way that there are many "features" included in Windows that many endusers didn't ask for and don't use.

The Combine "showcase" is a joint presentation of the two big, 3rd-party scouting co-ops that contract with the NFL and with team ownership, and from which most teams obtain the bulk of their prospect scouting information. So, while coaches certainly make suggestions about what drills they'd like to see performed and how, whether or not Wonderlic testing is included is probably above their authority. Of course, they can still disregard it when grading prospects.

 

[Nunchucks]

It's a team option. He doesn't get to choose.

He did pretty well, playing for the Colts who had no offensive line and a really bad defense. I mean the guy was a second year QB that everybody agreed came out pretty raw. He has continued to improve. I don't understand why folks need to disparage him all the time.

He had a lot to learn coming out of college and everybody is all over him because he wasn't NFL ready. The guy continues to improve.

 

[Nunchucks]

The implication of the comment that I was responding to was that BB thought Brissett would be nothing more than a "career backup", meaning (it seems to me) anywhere, not just with the Pats.

While Brisset may turn out that way, I still really don't know whether or not that was or is BB's opinion of Brissett. I try to be scrupulous about avoiding making any claims to have certain knowledge about what other people are thinking.

OTOH, as you say, if BB was certain that Brissett would be the Pats next starting/franchise QB, it seems highly unlikely that he would have traded Brissett.

Unless, y'know, he was totally wasted or something

[BB wakes up two days later, sees the transaction wire, and exclaims, "Wait! WHAT??!! I traded Brissett for WHO??!! Aww, crap!!"]

Its almost like he traded Brissett to make it impossible to trade Jimmy G.....but when he was told he couldn't sign Jimmy G, he traded the guy for a half-eaten sandwich.

 

[Nunchucks]

But you do know Belichick's opinion.

If belichick thought that Brisset could be our future starting quarterback, or even a long-term backup, he'd still be here.

Trading Brisset could have been part of trying to get conditions right to keep Jimmy G.

 

[maineman209]

Its almost like he traded Brissett to make it impossible to trade Jimmy G.....but when he was told he couldn't sign Jimmy G, he traded the guy for a half-eaten sandwich.

It's almost like the Pats were suddenly down to Cooks, Hogan and Amendola after the last week of Camp and were looking for a WR with some productive NFL experience and some upside who wouldn't cost them yet another 2018 draft pick and who wouldn't hit the cap for a crap-tonne.

It seems to me that Caserio and his staff probably had more than just the one contingency plan in place for such a situation, plans which likely would have had other WRs on other teams as potential targets.

So, it's possible that the call to the Colts was merely the first call they made and they got a deal they could live with.

 

[Tunescribe]

You can go f**k off with that kinda sh*t. And that's not what I wrote - not even f**king close. WTF part of "Reich and Sirianni could be much better for Brissett" is even close to "ball-washing"? You think that taking into account the context in which Brissett was working last season is f**king "ball-washing"??

Did your mother ever wash your mouth out with soap for using profanity? If she did, the lesson was lost.

It seems to me that your own opinion of Brissett is causing you to project some extreme opposite onto any even-handed comment about him.

No, you bent over backwards rationalizing how/why Brissett can be something he's not. If waxing sentimental over Brissett's allegedly lost potential as a Patriot is not part of this then I'll retract my "ball-washing" comment, but your logic strains credibility.

Having just lost both Edelman and Mitchell, it makes sense that the Pats would be looking for a WR.

It makes sense BB would trade Brady's prospective successor for a WR? If the way you're stretching to characterize this is true, it was a horrible deal.

OK, now if you wish to continue this "chat," please be civil in your language or it ends here. Perhaps you can address the real fact Brissett was considered expendable, which projects to him carrying a clipboard on the sidelines for the foreseeable future.

 

[Nunchucks]

He was about to get cut last season at the end of camp. The source for this is a QuickSlants episode a few weeks back. He could not hit a barndoor in camp and the team frustrated by his lack of development moved on. Amazing that they got anything back in a trade.

Kind of like Cassell was going to be cut in 2008?

 

[Tunescribe]

Kind of like Cassell was going to be cut in 2008?

Cassell wasn't cut in 2008 and his performance proved why.

 

[maineman209]

Did your mother ever wash your mouth out with soap for using profanity? If she did, the lesson was lost.

No, you bent over backwards rationalizing how/why Brissett can be something he's not. If waxing sentimental over Brissett's allegedly lost potential as a Patriot is not part of this then I'll retract my "ball-washing" comment, but your logic strains credibility.

It makes sense BB would trade Brady's prospective successor for a WR? If the way you're stretching to characterize this is true, it was a horrible deal.

OK, now if you wish to continue this "chat," please be civil in your language or it ends here. Perhaps you can address the real fact Brissett was considered expendable, which projects to him carrying a clipboard on the sidelines for the foreseeable future.

Unless I completely misread your original comment, you were claiming that (1) Brissett is destined to be no more than a backup QB - anywhere, ever - and (2) that BB saw him that way.

I disagreed with the "anywhere, ever" implication and questioned that you (or any other ordinary mortal) can ever know for certain what BB's opinion is or was about Brissett in regard to his ultimate NFL career.

Brissett was on IR for all but three games of his rookie NFL season (broken thumb), and then was traded to the Colts after just his second NFL Camp.

I suggested that, considering the situation he suddenly found himself thrown into (in only his second NFL season, having missed most of his first) - a crappy roster, crappy coaching staff, and an OC whose play-calling could be predicted by a below average middle-school football coach - it may be a bit premature to predict Brissett's ultimate NFL career.

I also suggested that working under his new HC (Reich) and OC (Sirianni) in 2018 might be better for him than his 2017 experience with the Colts - as in, they might be able to help him develop, or at least put him in a better position to succeed (with a different offensive system).

That's not even close to saying that I think Brissett WILL end up as an NFL starting QB. It's merely acknowledging that I, personally, don't have enough information (or the extraordinary prescience) to eliminate the possibility (as you apparently have) that he might yet improve under different circumstances than he's experienced so far - at age 24, through just two NFL seasons, neither of which was "normal."

And, I never even came close to stating or even implying that I thought Brissett could have become the next starting QB for the Pats.

But these are what YOU CHOSE to read into my comment. And then you accused me of "ball-washing" Brissett based on your own mis-reading (apparently because, to you, there is no other possibility).

There's almost nothing that pisses me off more than to catch the kind of arrogant, prejudiced sh*t that you threw at me for something that I did not say.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

(A) They weren't willing to pay $22M for the franchise tag, so I'm not at all convinced they'd be willing to pay $19M for the fifth-year tender.

(B) The fifth year, right now, only matters if they expect Brady to play exactly four more seasons. Any more, and the rookie will "time out"; any less, and the team would have at least a season to decide if he's "the one."

Brady isn’t playing 4 more seasons

 

[mgteich]

The most flexible approach is to have 3 QB's in the roster. One would be drafted this year, and another next year. Hoyer would stay this year and hopefully one of the youngsters would beat him out next year.

Then, whenever Brady is ready to go (after 2018 onward), the team will have two choice of quarterbacks that have worked with the team for at least a year.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Or he did prep and still did horrible

That's a possibility. If I rep him, I spin it as lack of preparation and not as the alternative.....

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady isn’t playing 4 more seasons

Well he said he wanted to play until 45, which is 5 more seasons...

 

[SammyBlueCat]

We shall see

 

[Boston Boxer]

The top four QBs are likely going top 5 via trade ups.

Our crop to choose from in Rounds 1-3:

Mason Rudolph
Lamar Jackson
Kyle Lauletta

Rounds 3-5:

Luke Falk
Mike White
Logan Woodside
Chase Litton



We’re up against long odds in rounds 2-3. We may have drafted the 2nd best 2nd round QB in the last 20 years behind Drew Brees (Jimmy G), the best 7th round QB in 20 years (Cassel) & obviously the best 6th round QB of all time.

Clearly BB & co. are good at this QB development thing. I’m honestly fine with any three of the tier II QBs.

I like Jackson or Lauletta

 

[mgteich]

Well he said he wanted to play until 45, which is 5 more seasons...

so?