Draft worst case has emerged for Pats at 4

[Huckleberry1]

My take on #4 is that Hunter and Carter will be gone, so go with Jeanty... then at 38 Conerly, Jackson or Ersery will probably be available..
My guess is that Vrabel looks upon Jeanty like a Derrick Henry..
I am not convinced on Hunter, how about if he has a soreass because he can't play D... If he were to say "I am going to focus on being the best WR" then things might be different..

There is absolutely nothing to suggest Hunter has or will have an attitude problem. This kid is as good a character player as you will find.

 

[Triumph]

Nobody out there trying to keep my stocks up

Don't sell.

All the Chicken Littles panic and sell losing money while the savy investors are buying.

 

[Triumph]

Sanders Poppa was bragging that all this pub is like gold for recruiting.

 

[DarrylS]

There is absolutely nothing to suggest Hunter has ir will have an attitude problem. This kid is as good a character player as you will find.

We will see if we draft him... what you see is not always what you get.

 

[Huckleberry1]

We will see if we draft him... what you see is not always what you get.

The kid was the top scholar athlete in the country and is rated the top cornerback and wide receiver in the draft. If you want to impugn someone’s integrity you should have at least something to support it. If you don’t want him that’s fine, but suggesting there are issues with nothing to back it up is ********.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

This is a weak draft.

If we draft Campbell, we MIGHT solve LT for a decade, but if not we will have an All Pro LG for a decade.

Campbell would fit in with the culture that Vrabel’s is trying to build, and short of a catastrophic injury, will NOT be a bust.

We may not be able to leverage the pick as we would like, but Campbell would not be a disaster for the reasons mentioned.

Whether it's a weak draft or not is tbd, but what you're saying above is that Campbell would be a good pick at 4, given everything. I think he would be as well, though I think Membou has a higher ceiling and could be the guy.

If the Pats consider these 2 guys as a cut above the other OT prospects, then I think we should pick one at 4 and not try to be cute with a trade down. But if they feel that Banks or Simmons or Conerly are similar, then we should trade down and either take an OT there, or pick another position but then aggressively move up from 38 to take the tackle. Our strategy of taking one at 4, taking one at around 10-12, or taking one in the mid-late 20's, depends on how the Patriots have these tackles graded.

 

[signbabybrady]

Don't sell.

All the Chicken Littles panic and sell losing money while the savy investors are buying.

Of course not but I am mad I didn't freeze everything just before Trump took office. I'm sure everyone had the same thoughts. But who am I to speculate just play the long game.

 

[jdlboot14]

There's only been 10 WR's drafted in top 10 in the last 45 years that turned out to be a "blue chip" franchise player for that team.
Jamar Chase
Julio Jones
Mike Evans
AJ Green
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Torrey Holt
Tim Brown
Sterling Sharpe

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Once you really break down all the prospects, it seems to be a very underwhelming class in this range of the draft. So if they are forced to stay at #4, Campbell might very well be the BPA or close enough to it to take him on account of need. That's not mutually exclusive with him being a mid LT prospect.

That Athletic draft had him as the 6th best player in the draft. So taking him at 4 is not a huge overpay. And having a fallback position of him being an All-Pro guard adds value. So he's not an exciting pick, but not one to tear your hair about either.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

That Athletic draft had him as the 6th best player in the draft. So taking him at 4 is not a huge overpay. And having a fallback position of him being an All-Pro guard adds value. So he's not an exciting pick, but not one to tear your hair about either.

1) People really overstate the idea that his "floor" or "fallback" is that he simply switches positions and is an all pro there. That's not how it works.

2) The Athletic is one ranking. NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah though, as an example, has him 10th. Ultimately, the team needs to do their own ranking. They could rank him even higher than the Athletic or even lower than NFL.com. And then as fans, we can't cling to one site and make that the authority prospect ranking to support our stance while ignoring those that don't agree with us.

3) Getting the 6th best player at #4 absolutely can be a huge overpay depending on the specifics. There's not always an equal gap from 1 to 2 as there is from 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 and so on. For example, most here have Hunter and Carter as the #1 and #2 non-QBs. Assuming Ward goes #1, we're still going to have our pick of the #3 non-QB prospect. are distraught that we're not getting Carter or Hunter because most perceive a huge drop off going form the top 2 to the 3rd ranked player. Even using the ranking you cited with Campbell at #6 player, there could be a huge drop off from #5 to him. It's also worth noting that they don't have Ward ranked above Campbell even though he's going to go #1, so even though getting #6 at #4 seems very close, it's really saying that they'd pass on 3 better ranked prospects per that list and depending on how wide the gap is between players it could end up being a very significant reach.

 

[whybob]

If a trade up is to be had go get the guy you want Hunter or Carter. If not I'm fine sticking with Walker or Graham.

 

[The Gr8est]

If a trade up is to be had go get the guy you want Hunter or Carter. If not I'm fine sticking with Walker or Graham.

Seems like Walker is picking up steam.

BB once stunned a lot of fans by picking a Georgia defender at #6.

He turned out OK.

 

[brdmaverick]

I'm sure glad we won that game against the Bills in the season finale.

 

[DarrylS]

The kid was the top scholar athlete in the country and is rated the top cornerback and wide receiver in the draft. If you want to impugn someone’s integrity you should have at least something to support it. If you don’t want him that’s fine, but suggesting there are issues with nothing to back it up is ********.

It's a mock draft, not real life.. take a break.
It's just a game we play before the draft what I think has no impact on anything, relax.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can you believe a team took a K in the first round 25 years ago? The arrogance of the Raiders thinking their team had no other needs and a K was the missing link was wild. Shaun Alexander should've been the pick.

That's the worst case scenario.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

The Athletic is one ranking. NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah though, as an example, has him 10th

But his (unlike The Athletic's) is a mock draft, with the Patriots luckily ending up with Hunter. So that's a blend of BPA and need for each team.

You are correct that in some drafts the dropoff from 4 to 6 can be considerable - but that's likely not the case here (depending on QB2).
Someone like Jeanty is a high-variance pick - he's a great RB but with a lot of tread on his tires already. Campbell seems to be a low-variance pick - chances are you will get a solid if not spectacular LT that can likely move inside if a better prospect emerges down the road (suggesting perhaps that double-dipping at LT isn't a crazy idea).

BTW, Lazar after reviewing film seems fine with Campbell:

 

[Huckleberry1]

But his (unlike The Athletic's) is a mock draft, with the Patriots luckily ending up with Hunter. So that's a blend of BPA and need for each team.

You are correct that in some drafts the dropoff from 4 to 6 can be considerable - but that's likely not the case here (depending on QB2).
Someone like Jeanty is a high-variance pick - he's a great RB but with a lot of tread on his tires already. Campbell seems to be a low-variance pick - chances are you will get a solid if not spectacular LT that can likely move inside if a better prospect emerges down the road (suggesting perhaps that double-dipping at LT isn't a crazy idea).

BTW, Lazar after reviewing film seems fine with Campbell:

Agree with this take.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I’m more scared of Breer’s theory we may go with Jalon Walker at 4. Dear God

That would be a horrible pick.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

But his (unlike The Athletic's) is a mock draft, with the Patriots luckily ending up with Hunter. So that's a blend of BPA and need for each team.

You are correct that in some drafts the dropoff from 4 to 6 can be considerable - but that's likely not the case here (depending on QB2).
Someone like Jeanty is a high-variance pick - he's a great RB but with a lot of tread on his tires already. Campbell seems to be a low-variance pick - chances are you will get a solid if not spectacular LT that can likely move inside if a better prospect emerges down the road (suggesting perhaps that double-dipping at LT isn't a crazy idea).

BTW, Lazar after reviewing film seems fine with Campbell:

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2025 NFL Draft prospect rankings 4.0

Here are his rankings, not a mock draft. He has Campbell 10th best player. Again, not saying to take this as gospel but using it as a counter argument to show that you shouldn't take the Athletic ranking him #6 as gospel either.

 

[Huckleberry1]

People who think the Giants will take Carter are forgetting that they already have Thibodeaux and Brown at Edge.