Draft trade rumor

[Ring 6]

I don't think it's a case of having your cake and eating it too; Maye and then fill all the holes. I think it's Maye, fill the most holes you can, and deal with the rest as it comes. I think if you trade out for 6 from the Giants, 34, 47 from Giants, 68 and 70 from the Giants PLUS two 1s two 2s and two 3s in 2025, you fill a lot of holes, but you can't fill every hole year 1. You could have taken best OT available or best QB available at 6, but you're still out of the running for a top OT/QB in round two, because of the run at those positions. For instance: OT Latham at 6 and Brissett at QB, you're still not very good in 2024, with a weak QB class (allegedly) in 2025. So... if you believe that Maye is a possible bonafide player with a capital P at #3 this year, you have to take him, knowing that a player of his skill set won't be there in 2025.

I agree that picks 6, 34, 47, 68, 70 this year plus the top 3 next year is a truckload, but it doesn't fill both the QB and OT positions, based on how the draft shook out this year. Even if they took JJ McCarthy at 6, they still have the OT hole to deal with. By the time they are on the clock at 34, the top OTs are gone.

It all comes down to whether or not they believe Maye is The Guy. Clearly they do, and if the Giants did indeed offer this many picks, then the Giants also believed it.

I don’t think the argument that you are still weak in 2024 sells me, because we are weak any way.

What good is a qb if you know you won’t play him? If you trade out then you are more likely to have a team around the qb when you get him.

I’d rather lose with brissett and 3 more top picks than lose with Maye sitting on the bench. You could have drafted OT, the 2 WRs, Wallace plus another 2 and 3 on defense or OL. Then you would have 2 1s, 2 2s, 2 3, and if you use one of those on a QB you might be willing to let him play.

 

[Steve102]

I don’t think the argument that you are still weak in 2024 sells me, because we are weak any way.

What good is a qb if you know you won’t play him? If you trade out then you are more likely to have a team around the qb when you get him.

I’d rather lose with brissett and 3 more top picks than lose with Maye sitting on the bench. You could have drafted OT, the 2 WRs, Wallace plus another 2 and 3 on defense or OL. Then you would have 2 1s, 2 2s, 2 3, and if you use one of those on a QB you might be willing to let him play.

So you're objection is the Jordan Love Program then?

My opinion is that they could have taken Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix or Nix and they would have sat them no matter what. I think that was their plan with whoever they drafted, and if they kicked the can down the road to 2025, then they'd be sitting Sanders, Beck, Ewers or whoever else they drafted that year. I think this is their plan. Maye could have thrown a perfect rating, made every right decision, every read correctly and played like you drew him up in a simulation and they'd still be sitting him. I'd go so far to say they could have asked the QBs they interviewed if they had a problem with sitting for a full or partial year when the team interviewed them before the draft. I think they have a plan and they will execute that plan. I think Maye's level of play had zero to do with him being a week 1 starter. I think he was never going to be a week 1 starter. I don't know what the qualifications are for him taking the reigns, but my opinion is that he was never going to be handed the keys to the car week 1.

 

[Ring 6]

So you're objection is the Jordan Love Program then?

My opinion is that they could have taken Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix or Nix and they would have sat them no matter what. I think that was their plan with whoever they drafted, and if they kicked the can down the road to 2025, then they'd be sitting Sanders, Beck, Ewers or whoever else they drafted that year. I think this is their plan. Maye could have thrown a perfect rating, made every right decision, every read correctly and played like you drew him up in a simulation and they'd still be sitting him. I'd go so far to say they could have asked the QBs they interviewed if they had a problem with sitting for a full or partial year when the team interviewed them before the draft. I think they have a plan and they will execute that plan. I think Maye's level of play had zero to do with him being a week 1 starter. I think he was never going to be a week 1 starter. I don't know what the qualifications are for him taking the reins, but my opinion is that he was never going to be handed the keys to the car week 1.

Then I think that’s a terrible plan.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

There's a difference between a "plan" and drafting a narrative then trying to make everything fit into that.

It seems like their "plan" is that they took a raw QB prospect with big upside that they're going to sit for a year of most of it expecting him to develop well behind the scenes. Even if their right in their assessment of his potential, they still have to also be right in their assessment of the coaches they hired being able to bring that out of him.

I'm probably jaded by their overall weak drafting in recent years (admittedly under BB, but all these guys were apart of the decision making too), but their draft doesn't inspire a ton of confidence for me. Particularly 2nd and 3rd round where it seems like they reached for need after big runs at those positions.

I think there's a lot of sound logic in how they left the money to roll over for future years. I don't play the tin foil hat game like they do on talk radio of always pointing to cheap ownership and trying to drum up conspiracy theories. I genuinely believe they intend to spend in the future on better players than were available. But if the draft doesn't yield high end players and the QB doesn't play enough to show potential and the team is terrible, why would anyone want to come here next year more than they did this year?

My fear with their plan is that they laid out a multi year idea of how things will progress and keep trying to fill that in without actually adapting that narrative to what's real. You can't just keep jamming square pegs into round holes and have it all work out. It feels like everything they've done is so structured and rigid and I'm concerned that they're forcing things. But we'll see how it goes.

 

[sb1]

and do you?
I do not and would not

It’s true for anyone not just Maye. If there’s a guy at the top of your board and you are committed to him 100% you won’t do anything that jeopardizes your shot at getting him like trading down.

 

[Vindicate]

Then I think that’s a terrible plan.

FWIW, Brady basically said it's a travesty that QB's are expected to play year 1. He didn't really elaborate on it, as he was commenting on how the game has changed and become more simple.