Dolphins eye Caserio for GM

[Huckleberry1]

For all intents and purposes, Casserio IS the Pat GM, but without the final say on personnel. That's not unusual in the NFL these days. Maybe it would be a good idea for the Pats to finally give him the "title", if only to make sure that they have the option to block another team from grabbing him for the same job.

As for losing Scar, Pepper, and Godsey etc, I will be interested in seeing how BB fills those jobs. For a long time coaching continuity has been a hallmark for the Pats. Of course we have periodically lost an assistant coach or two in the off season, but nothing this drastic. So it will will be the most interesting coach-watching years since Charlie and Romeo left.

Pepper leaving is completely understandable. He wants to be a DC, and that's not going to happen here. I am a bit surprised to see him leave without a DC job in hand, but given his career goals, it was probably past time that he moved on.

I would have thought that Scar would have signed on for one more year, since I think next year's team has a better shot at the prize than this year's did, but its probably time.

Godsey has a faster road to advancement with BOB than with Bill, so that's not a shock either.

Historically BB does the best pure coaching job (doing more with less) with the smallest coaching staff in the league. I will be watching closely to see who he brings in, or advances from the QC staff

Agree. When it comes to Scarnecchia however he apparently had wanted to retire prior to this season but stuck around because Belichick needed him, at least according to Belichick's last interview with Salk and holley

 

[Froob]

I felt that way too. I even checked to see if it was a Pats fan.

He did say in two years. Must be assuming Brady retires and we don't get a hand on at least a mediocre quarterback.

 

[mayoclinic]

FWIW, Armando Salguero suggests that Caserio was a "Manchurian candidate" who didn't intend to ever take the Miami job, but gathered useful intel about their internal workings in the process:

Dolphins turned Caserio into Manchurian candidate | Miami Dolphins In Depth

I'm not very convinced, but if so, dumb on the Dolphins part. They should know that there was no commitment to accept the job when he agreed to interview. It's a risk they chose to take.

 

[jefmblrd]

All of this subterfuge like Caserio went there to gather intel on the Dolphins feels just a tad overblown. It's natural for someone to kick the tires on another job and get his name out there for future opportunities. Getting out there and interviewing is one way to do that. I do agree that it might lead to a promotion, like VP as has been discussed in the press, as well as a pay raise.

Patriots coaches and front office people leaving for other teams should come as no surprise to anyone as it's been going on for years-- Weiss, Crennel, Pioli, Dimitroff, Licht and on and on. It's natural for those teams who haven't had the success the Patriots have to try and hire people away and see if they can capture some of that success.

 

[patsinthesnow]

. @ArmandoSalguero: Dolphins say reason Nick Caserio didn't accept job is he wanted to fire Joe Philbin and Dolphins wouldn't allow.

Dolphins fire back on idea of structure problems | Miami Dolphins In Depth

Maybe he wanted Josh?

 

[PATS68]

Again I ask what is the target rate? Who is the primary responsibility safety/LB.

First off you never asked this question and you stated "attacked the middle of the field". Well I provided you other evidence that clearly does not agree with your take and it is not from me.

Another concern with BB the GM. He goes on WEEI before the Colts playoff game and he talked in depth about all the problems T.Y Hilton had coming out that year in the draft and why they passed on him. My question to BB would be did you not listen to your own reasoning before you drafted Ras I Dowling?

Using the 33nd pick on a player who has documented injury problems going all the way back to high school.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

@ArmandoSalguero: Dolphins say reason Nick Caserio didn't accept job is he wanted to fire Joe Philbin and Dolphins wouldn't allow.

Ben Volin ? @BenVolin
RT @tomecurran: Source tells me Nick Caserio was clear w/Dolphins about being willing and prepared to work with Joe Philbin

Don't you just love 180 degree apart "insider" information?

My take…if the 1st is true, Caserio is GM material;
if the 2nd is true, he's already Peter principled out

 

[captain stone]

Well, "outed" may have been a poor choice of words ... "ratted out" is more appropriate, at least according to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald:



Armando Salguero: In face of Miami Dolphins’ drama, search is on for brightest talent evaluator possible to replace Ireland - Armando Salguero - MiamiHerald.com

And this also from Salguero:



More history, fallout from Ireland vs. DawnJoe | Miami Dolphins In Depth

So any "GM" would be going into a situation where Philbin and Aponte report directly to Ross and already have clearly formed an alliance. Ireland was obviously a snake as well as a lousy GM, but the situation reeks of backstabbing and in-fighting. Caserio was smart to stay away from it. Ross needs to clean shop and get a fresh start, IMHO.

LOL at something called Dawn Aponte making sound NFL decisions.

 

[Deus Irae]

@ArmandoSalguero: Dolphins say reason Nick Caserio didn't accept job is he wanted to fire Joe Philbin and Dolphins wouldn't allow.

Ben Volin ? @BenVolin
RT @tomecurran: Source tells me Nick Caserio was clear w/Dolphins about being willing and prepared to work with Joe Philbin

Don't you just love 180 degree apart "insider" information?

My take…if the 1st is true, Caserio is GM material;
if the 2nd is true, he's already Peter principled out

Seems like it's a matter of "what if"

Regardless, Caserio had no demand that Philbin be dismissed. Would have worked with him according to source then made chg if necessary.

https://twitter.com/tomecurran/status/427570770840399872

Yes, but the "made change if necessary" part was probably deal killer. Dolphins don't want GM to have hiring/firing power.

https://twitter.com/AbramsonPBP/status/427570969838776321

 

[Deus Irae]

I've been told that several Dolphins players have already privately expressed that they want out of this situation. Real consequences coming

https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/427545920041795584

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/427545920041795584

What a train wreck for the franchise that a substantial # of football pundits had defeating us for the AFCE in 2013.

Then again, the steenkin' Fins did beat us in December. W…T…F…?

 

[captain stone]

And that loss, which should never, evah have happened if Bill & Skippy had just run the dam ball
during all those blown Goal-To-Go situations, cost us the #1 seed and home field vs the Donkeys.

 

[Huckleberry1]

What a train wreck for the franchise that a substantial # of football pundits had defeating us for the AFCE in 2013.

Then again, the steenkin' Fins did beat us in December. W…T…F…?

First of all, I agree 100% that it was the perfect litmus test for Caserio, and if he told them he needed the control to fire Philbin then he is GM material, had he taken it as apparently offered then he was going to be screwed to start with. I think Caserio is a big reason they have been drafting better the past few seasons and they are getting gems out of UDFA, and i think he has what it takes to eventually replace Belichick in terms of running the franchise, even though i think that is still 6-8 years off.

As far as the fish beating the Patriots i really think that was a team that couldn't afford mistakes and got the most out of their season but they could not afford bad performances without paying for it, and that game was part of the price. Next years model is going to look much better imo, it's kind of hard to believe they are that young with that much talent sitting on the shelf and are still a final four team.

 

[PATS68]

First of all, I agree 100% that it was the perfect litmus test for Caserio, and if he told them he needed the control to fire Philbin then he is GM material, had he taken it as apparently offered then he was going to be screwed to start with. I think Caserio is a big reason they have been drafting better the past few seasons and they are getting gems out of UDFA, and i think he has what it takes to eventually replace Belichick in terms of running the franchise, even though i think that is still 6-8 years off.

I think you are bring up a potential problem, I don't think Nick wants to wait 6-8 years an who would. If he wanted to wait then I don't think he would have taken the interview. I would like to know how this is playing over with BB?

I would like to see Nick take over the draft from BB. BB I think goes to the well too much with his ties to some of the college coaches he is friends with.