Dolphins eye Caserio for GM

[PATS68]

Have you seen Jamie Collins play? He's everything that you're claiming the Pats don't draft.

I don't like the emphasis on big, run-stopping LBs either, but it's no longer correct to claim that the role has been neglected outright. Even in Hightower's case, it's pretty clear that he was drafted to replace Spikes because, again, he's better than Spikes at doing all of the things that you're claiming the Pats don't draft for.

Wel, drafting Hightower to be MLB and Collins to play OLB pretty firmly says otherwise.

Did you read where I said he has been a breath of fresh air? Thats the type of player they should have been drafting.

Another example of a set back in my mind.

Pats brought in Dashon Goldson for a FA visit. Instead of signing him they sign the lesser player in Gregory. Use a 2nd round pick on Wilson and use a 3rd round pick on Harmon. Another point on the Wilson pick which they could have used and took the player drafted right after Wilson, Kendell Reyes and put him next to Vince. They have not added a young DT next to Vince in years.

To me that is the GM getting in the way of the coach.

 

[SoCal Pmen]

Caserio scheduled for a second interview on Saturday with the Dolphins. He might now be the lead horse.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Drafting 250+ LB's who can't cover and the middle of the field which has been wide open for the last several years. Look at the lack of INT's by our LB's in a passing league. Why is BB drafting players to stop the Bus, Marion Butts and so on? Those days are long gone my friend, but for some reason he keeps drafting those types of players. Collins has been a breath of fresh air.

Only drafting one true edge rusher in 14 years in Chandler Jones again in a passing league.

The love of the overly fat D-linemen who again is waiting for the Bus and Marion Butts to come crashing through that line. Seymour is the last DT who could move and get to the QB. Again we are not in the early 2000's and it is a passing league.

HOF QB and you could only name 4 players he has been given. Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk. Why isn't one of the best QB's of all time not surrounded year in and year out with the best talent?

Parcells drafts were key to helping those teams win those Super Bowls. TY, Willie, Teddy, Milloy, and Ted Johnson.

At least get your facts correct. The Pats ended up with 48 sacks, this season as the Defensive rebuilding is finally nearing completion. That is in the Top 5. The Pats have either led the League in turnovers or have been in Top 3 for the past four years.

 

[Froob]

I wonder how responsible Caserio actually is for the patriots recent success. He's essentially our assistant GM right?

 

[SVN]

Tom E. Curran ?@tomecurran 1h
Nick Caserio will be interviewing with the Miami Dolphins for a second time. Interview set for Saturday.

 

[patman52]

Hopefully Caserio's smart enough not to take the job. Meddling, clueless, win-now owner? Check. Huge contracts for non-elite players handed out just this past offseason? Check. Ineffectual coach already in place? Check. Franchise QB who probably isn't a franchise QB? Check.

Sounds like a winning situation.

I would hop all over that if I was Caserio. In two years, Tanihill is most likely the best qb in the division. I like what they did in FA this year, If Ireland would have pulled the trigger on Albert for a 2nd that line would have looked a lot better.
They have a lot of FA but they do have 25 mill of cap space.

Wallace can be cut pretty easy next year with cap savings, his contract was for 11 SB with this year guaranteed. Easy enough to move on in 2015.

They got all thier picks, play in a state with no state income tax and in a city that athletes seem to like.

 

[DarrylS]

I would hop all over that if I was Caserio. In two years, Tanihill is most likely the best qb in the division. I like what they did in FA this year, If Ireland would have pulled the trigger on Albert for a 2nd that line would have looked a lot better.
They have a lot of FA but they do have 25 mill of cap space.

Wallace can be cut pretty easy next year with cap savings, his contract was for 11 SB with this year guaranteed. Easy enough to move on in 2015.

They got all thier picks, play in a state with no state income tax and in a city that athletes seem to like.

You completely lost me when you said "Tannehill is most likely the best qb" in the division.... did I miss something??

 

[Kontradiction]

You completely lost me when you said "Tannehill is most likely the best qb" in the division.... did I miss something??

The other three quarterbacks are Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, and E.J. Manuel. Not hard to miss. Manuel may develop better than Tannehill in the long run, but right now Tannehill is the second best in the division, far behind Brady.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I love Casserio, I will be very disappointed if he goes there. Something else to remember is he and McDaniels are best friends. If Casserio goes, Josh could be there in 2015 - or even 2014.

 

[DarrylS]

The other three quarterbacks are Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, and E.J. Manuel. Not hard to miss. Manuel may develop better than Tannehill in the long run, but right now Tannehill is the second best in the division, far behind Brady.

Am aware but Tannehill is not the "best" qb in this division, which was my point and what was contended.

 

[signbabybrady]

Since 1998 (Manning's rookie year), the Colts have missed the playoffs three times.
Since 1998, the Patriots have missed the playoffs four times.

Since 2001 (Brady's first year as a starter), both teams have missed the playoffs twice.

What should be surprising to nobody is that the two best QBs of the era have been to the playoffs almost every year. They've eached missed the playoffs twice since 2001, and they've both missed once because of a year lost to injury and once because of an off year.

There is no single "right" way.
There is no single "best" way.
There is finding a way to get the pieces around elite QBs.

hahaha you are hilarious. Even the Colts owner came out and admitted the Patriot way was better than their way.

"We've changed our model a little bit, because we wanted more than one of these," Irsay says, flicking up his right hand to show his Super Bowl XLI championship ring. "(Tom) Brady never had consistent numbers, but he has three of these,"

Bottom line over the course of 20 years no one has won more SBs, made more SBs, Won more conference championship game, made more conference championship games, won more playoff games, or won more regular season games.

So again there are certainly other ways to attain your goals but so far this one is on top.

 

[Deus Irae]

hahaha you are hilarious. Even the Colts owner came out and admitted the Patriot way was better than their way.

"We've changed our model a little bit, because we wanted more than one of these," Irsay says, flicking up his right hand to show his Super Bowl XLI championship ring. "(Tom) Brady never had consistent numbers, but he has three of these,"

Bottom line over the course of 20 years no one has won more SBs, made more SBs, Won more conference championship game, made more conference championship games, won more playoff games, or won more regular season games.

So again there are certainly other ways to attain your goals but so far this one is on top.

The numbers show otherwise, and the difference between 1 ring and 3 is the difference between Brady and Manning. What's hilarious is you actually trying to argue against the numbers.

Colts' defenses in the 2000s included rankings of 7,2,1,7 and 8, and the year they actually won the SB, the defense was 23rd.

 

[signbabybrady]

The numbers show otherwise, and the difference between 1 ring and 3 is the difference between Brady and Manning. What's hilarious is you actually trying to argue against the numbers.

Colts' defenses in the 2000s included rankings of 7,2,1,7 and 8, and the year they actually won the SB, the defense was 23rd.

Seems to me like you aren't making your argument very clear.

Seems to me your argument boils down to the idea we can not accurately rate the Patriot model because they have the best QB of all time and thus have an unfair advantage when it comes to team building.

Whatever I chose to think we have the best franchise, Best Coach, and Best QB of all time you think what you want and justify it how you want.

 

[JMC00]

Dolphins better be prepared to give him complete control and that means head coach as well. Just don't think he would leave the Pats to basically take the same exact job in Miami where he gets input and some decisions but the bigger decisions come from Philbin or Ross.


But if he leaves I fully expect the whole "sinking ship" analogy spin from the media

 

[Deus Irae]

Seems to me like you aren't making your argument very clear.

Seems to me your argument boils down to the idea we can not accurately rate the Patriot model because they have the best QB of all time and thus have an unfair advantage when it comes to team building.

Whatever I chose to think we have the best franchise, Best Coach, and Best QB of all time you think what you want and justify it how you want.

No, it's pretty clear. The Patriots, with the "eggs" approach, and the Colts/Broncos (or even Colts/Colts), with the "surround the QB with elite players" approach, both have made the same amount of playoff appearances in the years since Brady became a starter. Both teams missed the playoffs one year when their elite QBs were lost for the season, and both teams missed the playoffs one year when they just had a down year.

The difference in SB wins is the difference between Brady and Manning, and we can actually sum that up in the SB losses. Even when Brady wasn't playing at the top of his game, he was able to bring his teams back with late game drives that gave the Patriots the lead. Manning, on the other hand, threw a pick-6 on what could have been the tying drive.

Hell, if you want to round it out, you can toss the Steelers into the mix, since they're a stand pat draft team. 2 SB wins and a 3rd SB appearance for them.

Really, the 2000s have been great for demonstrating that at least 3 ways can win for you, and can do it very well.


You say that the Patriots have the best QB and best coach of all time, yet you ignore that when you make your claim about approach.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It's like other competitive businesses. Different high quality successful management teams adopt strategies congruent with their innate ability to execute. Imitators fail.

 

[signbabybrady]

No, it's pretty clear. The Patriots, with the "eggs" approach, and the Colts/Broncos (or even Colts/Colts), with the "surround the QB with elite players" approach, both have made the same amount of playoff appearances in the years since Brady became a starter. Both teams missed the playoffs one year when their elite QBs were lost for the season, and both teams missed the playoffs one year when they just had a down year.

The difference in SB wins is the difference between Brady and Manning, and we can actually sum that up in the SB losses. Even when Brady wasn't playing at the top of his game, he was able to bring his teams back with late game drives that gave the Patriots the lead. Manning, on the other hand, threw a pick-6 on what could have been the tying drive.

Hell, if you want to round it out, you can toss the Steelers into the mix, since they're a stand pat draft team. 2 SB wins and a 3rd SB appearance for them.

Really, the 2000s have been great for demonstrating that at least 3 ways can win for you, and can do it very well.


You say that the Patriots have the best QB and best coach of all time, yet you ignore that when you make your claim about approach.

How can you ignore the quote from Irsay in all this? he admitted the Patriot Way was better.

Also you keep pointing to playoff appearances and ignored everything else I said about SB wins, appearances, Conference games wins and appearances, total playoff wins, and even regular season wins.

The Patriot Way is the best way right now and it is undeniable regardless of how many other successful ways you want to mention none have had as much success. Top to bottom this is the best way to do it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Caserio should be GM. If the Pats don't promote him can't blame him for taking a GM job with someone else. He could leave, like Pepper, because they aren't elevating these guys career-wise who are doing a good job. Aside from the bad ex-Bronco and ex-Ram acquisitions on the offensive side of the ball, Caserio has done a great job the past 5 years.

 

[Deus Irae]

How can you ignore the quote from Irsay in all this? he admitted the Patriot Way was better.

That's not what he said. That's what you inferred. His former GM seemed inclined to disagree with your take, by the way.

Also you keep pointing to playoff appearances and ignored everything else I said about SB wins, appearances, Conference games wins and appearances, total playoff wins, and even regular season wins.

The Patriot Way is the best way right now and it is undeniable regardless of how many other successful ways you want to mention none have had as much success. Top to bottom this is the best way to do it.

Your claim that this is "undeniable" is clearly false. Also, Im not ignoring the non-SB aspects of things. Again:

Brady > Manning
BB > Dungy/Caldwell

Your arguments make almost no sense, given that I can point to the NYGs starting in 2007 as a team that's clearly superior to the NEP if I'm just looking at SB wins. In fact:

NYG
PIT
GB
BAL
IND
NO

Every one of them can make a claim that their way is better than the Patriots way, post rules changes/2004.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady > Manning
BB > Dungy/Caldwell

Your arguments make almost no sense, given that I can point to the NYGs starting in 2007 as a team that's clearly superior to the NEP if I'm just looking at SB wins. In fact:

NYG
PIT
GB
BAL
IND
NO

Every one of them can make a claim that their way is better than the Patriots way, post rules changes/2004.

Interesting that you use 2004 the last SB win by the Patriots as your line. But you can flip that script too if you go to every team on your list we have had more success after their last win than they did.

NYG - Since they last won we have made two conference title games they havent made the playoffs.
PIT - Close since they last won they made one more but so did we and we made two more confernce title games than they did
GB - Since they last won a SB they have one playoff win compared to 3 conference title appearances and one SB appearance
BAL - They obviously are the most recent winner but even still fell short of the playoffs this year while we again played for a chance at the SB.
IND - Since they last won they also returned to a SB but failed as we did other than that the only time they won a playoff game they lost to us following it.
NO - Since they last won they have 2 playoff wins and havent made it further than the divisional round while we made a sb and 3 other conference titles.

So again I say there are certainly plenty of other excellently run franchises but right now no one is doing it better than NE.

It is undeniable that over the last 20 years this team has more SB wins, SB appearances, Conference titles, Confence game appearnaces, Playoff wins, regular season wins, and far far less seasons with a losing record than any other team.