Did Rothlessberger score?

[flutie2phelan]

.... anyone watching the replays/still shots can CLEARLY see the part of the ball that is obscured by Ben's arm is breaking the plane of the endzone..

Does this makes sense? CLEARLY seeing what is obscured?

 

[Steel77]

Does this makes sense? CLEARLY seeing what is obscured?

What I mean is just because you can't see part of the ball under Ben's arm, it's pretty clear where it is because you can see where the rest of the football is, the front of the ball crossed the plane of the goalline.

I think people that are still saying it's not a TD are simply not using common sense to see where the ball is BEFORE Ben is hit back, maybe because they don't want to see it? I don't know...

 

[flutie2phelan]

I regret hectoring you, 77.

On this point, i think ... if you aren't right ... you're so close, that no one should say you're wrong.

I think we pick on this because of (a) the line judge running in to mark the spot of the ball ... until he sees that Ben has shoved the ball over while prone ... and (b) the many other preposterously false calls and non-calls (all consistent with this one).

But this exact call is largely irrelevant to whether or not the refs determined the winner of the game. Those of us who claim they did must look elsewhere for evidence.

 

[Steel77]

I regret hectoring you, 77.

On this point, i think ... if you aren't right ... you're so close, that no one should say you're wrong.

I think we pick on this because of (a) the line judge running in to mark the spot of the ball ... until he sees that Ben has shoved the ball over while prone ... and (b) the many other preposterously false calls and non-calls (all consistent with this one).

But this exact call is largely irrelevant to whether or not the refs determined the winner of the game. Those of us who claim they did must look elsewhere for evidence.

I agree, the line judge had NO idea if it was a TD or not, that much is obvious by the way he reacted. The play was very close, no doubt about it.
It also didn't help that the officiating has been bad all year and this just adds fuel to the fire after watching the ref act like Ben's down and then signaling a TD...

I've said before, the officiating in the SB wasn't good, BUT it's also been pretty overblown IMO, maybe because of all the bad officiating leading up to the game. Two bad calls against Seattle IMO...

 

[Alk]

Man, I never thought I would be gone for a week to find Patriots fans bickering about a super bowl that we didn't even take part in. Honestly? I think the tip of the ball just touched the goal line. It was close enough that if they had ruled that it wasn't a touchdown, there is no way they could have overturned it either. But in the end, did it really make any difference? Seattle just got dominated and I don't think that one td made a whole lot of difference.

 

[Michael]

Man, I never thought I would be gone for a week to find Patriots fans bickering about a super bowl that we didn't even take part in. Honestly? I think the tip of the ball just touched the goal line. It was close enough that if they had ruled that it wasn't a touchdown, there is no way they could have overturned it either. But in the end, did it really make any difference? Seattle just got dominated and I don't think that one td made a whole lot of difference.

I have yet to see ANY proof the ball broke the plane. The one picture they point to only shows his arm. Take away that bogus TD and give Seattle their earned TD that was taken away on a nothing call (that even Madden at the time said is not what he would call a push off) and it's a 17-14 Seattle victory. The real score of super bowl XL. Seattle only got dominated by one team. The officials. video don't lie.

Nice try. Maybe your Jets will do better next year. Can't anyone else see he is just an angry Jets fan? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

 

[Alk]

I have yet to see ANY proof the ball broke the plane. The one picture they point to only shows his arm. Take away that bogus TD and give Seattle their earned TD that was taken away on a nothing call (that even Madden at the time said is not what he would call a push off) and it's a 17-14 Seattle victory. The real score of super bowl XL. Seattle only got dominated by one team. The officials. video don't lie.

Nice try. Maybe your Jets will do better next year. Can't anyone else see he is just an angry Jets fan? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Truth be told, I didn't even care who won the super bowl. I was in the Neonatal ICU with my new born son. As usual around here though, it's not good to speak your mind when the righteous few don't agree. You like to call me a Jets fan but I can tell you this, as bitter as you are, you would fit right in.

 

[Michael]

Truth be told, I didn't even care who won the super bowl. I was in the Neonatal ICU with my new born son. As usual around here though, it's not good to speak your mind when the righteous few don't agree. You like to call me a Jets fan but I can tell you this, as bitter as you are, you would fit right in.

I don't care who won either. My concerns are with the officiating. It needs to be better and have accountability or the NFL will become a joke in the order of the WWF or whatever wrestling is out there.

 

[Steel77]

I have yet to see ANY proof the ball broke the plane. The one picture they point to only shows his arm. Take away that bogus TD and give Seattle their earned TD that was taken away on a nothing call (that even Madden at the time said is not what he would call a push off) and it's a 17-14 Seattle victory. The real score of super bowl XL. Seattle only got dominated by one team. The officials. video don't lie.

Nice try. Maybe your Jets will do better next year. Can't anyone else see he is just an angry Jets fan? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

You're right, videos don't lie

http://www.youtube.com/w/Steelers-T...Super Bowl Steelers Seahawks Officials XL MVP

If you think that's not a TD, then you do not understand the basic rules of football...

 

[jczxohn1]

Can't believe the legs on this pig!

 

[Joker]

Can't believe this Steel idiot posted ANOTHER video of Roth NOT getting in...must be a near mongoloid...which explains everything

 

[Michael]

You're right, videos don't lie

http://www.youtube.com/w/Steelers-T...Super Bowl Steelers Seahawks Officials XL MVP

If you think that's not a TD, then you do not understand the basic rules of football...

Excellent once again we can see his elbow and forearm break the plane, but not the ball. Thanks for that awful video from some idiot who doesn't know how to use a VCR.

 

[Alk]

The bottom line is regardless if the ball broke the plane or not, it was too close to tell. If you're the ref and everything is moving 100 mph, you wouldn't have seen anything any different and you're a fool if you think you would have. Once that decision was made, there wasn't enough proof in the replays to overturn it. Like I said before. If they had originally ruled that it wasn't a TD, they wouldn't have been able to reverse it the other way either. Now can we just let this die? It's pretty petty that we're sitting here griping about a Super Bowl that we weren't even in.

 

[groundgame]

Excellent once again we can see his elbow and forearm break the plane, but not the ball. Thanks for that awful video from some idiot who doesn't know how to use a VCR.

When it happened live I thought is was a TD, and when BR folded-down toward the goal-line on the side shot replay it again looked like he broke the plane. However, like the Ben Watson forced fumble apparently-out-of-the-endzone call that went against the Patriots (v. Denver), there are going to be plays that are so close that a jury of twelve people, studying these plays for hours with slow motion replay and under a microscope, cannot come to an consensus on some of these razor thin calls.

 

[Joker]

Excellent once again we can see his elbow and forearm break the plane, but not the ball. Thanks for that awful video from some idiot who doesn't know how to use a VCR.

LMFAO

true dat

 

[BlueTalon]

Hi guys,

Forgive me for bumping this old thread, but I just found this board. (I looked around and found quite a bit of intelligent football conversation - very refreshing!) And being a Seahawk fan, I had to weigh in on this.

flutie2phelan nailed it (as did several others) with:

None of us has any problem with going with the eyes on the field. But we do tend to develop problems when the linesman comes loping in from the side ... marking an intended spot with his right hand ... before he changes to a touchdown signal overhead.

Innumerable replays show that this must have happened just after R'burger - flat on the ground - shoved the ball a yard forward across the line ... and looks imploringly at his pal in stripes.

But then there was the discussion about this picture...

...and whether that was a football or an arm. That got me to thinking, what does the actual SB40 football look like? As it turns out,


Now, I admit to being biased, but I can't come to the conclusion that in that muddy picture, the arm/football looks anything like the footballs the NFL was using during that game. Therefore, it's got to be an arm.


For what it's worth, the Steelers did what it took to win, and the Seahawks didn't. I don't begrudge them the win. But the officiating absolutely stunk -- and anyone claiming that the officiating didn't have a direct impact on the outcome of the game is either a Steeler fan, a Seahawk hater, or on the NFL payroll. The NFL desperately needs to hire their refs full time, and give them training year-round. And from the looks of things, they also need to have some electronic means of tracking the precise location of the ball. This wouldn't be the first time a Seahawks opponent was awarded a TD because a QB's head crossed the line.



Oh yeah, one other thing. You guys were robbed on that interception. That Ben Watson run all the way across the field to slam Champ Bailey out at the 1 yard line was just unbelievable! That was one of the best plays I've seen in my entire life!

And leave it to this years refs to not call it a touchback when the ball clearly went into the endzone...

 

[ilduce06410]

ya got a point but...

The person LEAST likely to know what happened was the player at the bottom of the pile. Of course, Ben moved the ball forward after he was down. The question is whether the ball crossed the plane before he was moved back, and whether there was incontrovertable proof that the ball did not cross the plane, as was ruled on the field.

What I see now is that the refs should not bother to ref. they should simply ask the players what they think happened.

the guy at the bottom is usually under 2,000 to 2,500 lbs of pressure, and could not be expected to see anything well at that point.
but ben knew the location of the goal line---it was 2 inches in front of his face--- and he knew where the ball was----in the crook of his left elbow. i believe, teich, that the question is whether or not the ball crossed the plane before he was ruled down.
the ref has to make a definitive call one way or another. that's why there's a linesman on either sideline, no more than 15 yards away from the play. as for me, 2 things seem clear:
1. the ball was still in ben's left arm when his helmet hit turf. i dunno if that means he was down or not.
2. the only official in position to get a clear look at the play was the linesman. he, to his detriment, did NOT make a clean, definitive call. that is one of his most important responsibilities. and he was not up to the task at that moment. nobody else on the officiating crew was, nor were they supposed to be, in position to see it.
they'll still be talking baout this 10 years from now.

 

[SteelCity]

The officiating wasn't bad considering there was only one bad call - the low block called on Matt Hassleback.

Mike Pereria broke down all of the calls on NFL Network today and they were all correct except for the low block.

The TD was such a close call that we are still arguing about it after all this time. So people just need to get over it.

There were a lot of close calls but even after further review, they were the correct calls.

 

[groundgame]

The officiating wasn't bad considering there was only one bad call - the low block called on Matt Hassleback.

Mike Pereria broke down all of the calls on NFL Network today and they were all correct except for the low block.

The TD was such a close call that we are still arguing about it after all this time. So people just need to get over it.

There were a lot of close calls but even after further review, they were the correct calls.

Discounting the NFL version, the officiating for SB XL was hideous. It was the consistent pattern whereby every Seattle big play was wiped out by a penalty.

 

[Michael]

I can't come to the conclusion that in that muddy picture, the arm/football looks anything like the footballs the NFL was using during that game. Therefore, it's got to be an arm.

It's his arm. And the angle of that shot is not from the goal line. I could hang a ball above the line about 2 or 3 inches back from the line and walk to the right as I keep the camera on the ball and suddenly from that angle it will appear over the line. If I keep going eventually it would look like the whole ball is over the line.


To Illustrate

Does my SB hat break the plane?


Answer: No. It's at least 3 inches behind the line.