Did I see a different 2007 season

[upstater1]

So he started the game, played 1 series and left. That doesn't take away from the fact that, when you look at how many minutes Manning didn't play, Manning actually accomplished his feat in less playing time. Especially when you consider that Brady never came out prior to the 4th quarter (and most of the time not until there was under 5 minutes left).

I mean, if you want to be really anal, we can look up exactly what the time of possession of each of the Colts games, subtract out the time Manning wasn't in the games and compare it to the time of possession for the each of the Pats games with the time Brady wasn't in the games to figure out how many minutes, exactly, each one played.

Somebody did this on this board.

It turned out, Manning had played more minutes.

 

[upstater1]

I can't find the link to the thread in which a poster broke down playing time game by game and discovered that Manning had played a lot more minutes than Brady.

 

[sieglo]

Somebody did this on this board.

It turned out, Manning had played more minutes.

LMAO.

Well, I guess that ends the debate, right?

Just to summarize:

On less playing time, Brady had a statistically superior season:

Brady had the following:
398 completions (68.9 comp %), 578 attempts, 4806 yards, 50 TDs (8.7 TD%), 8 Ints (1.4Int%),8.3 yards per attempt, 21 sacks

Manning:
336 completions (67.6 Comp %), 497 attempts, 4267 yards, 49 TDs (9.9 TD%), 10 ints (2.0 Int %), 9.2 yards per attempt, 13 sacks.

While the following conditions also applied:

1. Manning had a 1500+yd rusher in Edge that year to help keep defenses honest.
1a. Yet, somehow, Manning, presumably calling his own plays, only saw fit to get Edge into the endzone 9 times rushing.
1b. The Colt's team had only 10 rushing td's all season. The Pats as a team had 17.

2. The Pats broke the NFL scoring record for a team, while having the fewest offensive possessions in the league. If you want to talk td's per attempt, how about looking at it from this perspective.

3. Peyton Manning played 1 game in bad weather. That is, if you call 40*+ in Chicago in November bad weather.
Brady, after the 11/4 Indy game played all his Nov/Dec games outdoors in cold weather cities like Foxboro, Baltimore, NY.

#3 is so important, it's not even funny. Remember how may passes were inexplicably dropped by guys once they started playing in bad weather? Watson, Welker, Stallworth & Moss were all guilty of dropping catchable passes.
If you look at Brady's #'s before the weather got bad, he was playing Madden '08, and on pace for like 60 td's.

At the end of the day, 50>49 and on top of that, Brady led in the most important stat of all.... wins!

Why is this even a debate?

Brady had a better season than Manning. The only real debate left is whether Brady's season was better than Marino's when he threw for 48.

 

[indycolts685]

I can't find the link to the thread in which a poster broke down playing time game by game and discovered that Manning had played a lot more minutes than Brady.

I don't see how that is even close to being possible, considering Manning sat out the last 57 minutes of the seasons final game against Denver. Don't get me wrong I have never said Brady didn't deserve the record or anything but I am pretty sure Manning had to play less minutes..not that it matters or anything. If somebody can prove me wrong I will gladly eat the words I typed..

 

[ctsports]

I don't see how that is even close to being possible, considering Manning sat out the last 57 minutes of the seasons final game against Denver. Don't get me wrong I have never said Brady didn't deserve the record or anything but I am pretty sure Manning had to play less minutes..not that it matters or anything. If somebody can prove me wrong I will gladly eat the words I typed..

I didn't see the thread referenced, but it is certainly possible. It's about time of possession rather than the number of minutes in the game.

 

[theflinger]

Manning of 2004 played 9 of his 15 games in a dome and all in good weather.

Brady in his 15 games has played in high winds in Baltimore, Sleet/Snow/Rain and high winds against the Jets.

Manning played a total of six games outdoors and only one of those six games were played outdoors during the months of November and December (Chicago Nov 21st, Weather 43 and partly cloudy). He did not play in one game affected by the weather.

Manning was on the sidelines for a total of 27:45 minutes during the first 15 games of the season and played a game in OT. The majority of that (16:15) came against Detroit. Brady has been on the sideline for 45:55 minutes in the first 15 games, that doesn't include the majority of the 2nd half against Miami back in October where he played for a total of 6:23 minutes. Does anyone disagree that Brady could have thrown at least one more TD in that extra 18:10 minutes? Heck, you could even add in the extra 2:47 minutes Manning received for the overtime against SD. That would give Brady a total of 20:57.

That means Brady has until the 9:03 mark of the 2nd quarter against the Giants to throw 49 TD's in the same amount of actual gametime as Manning. And he did that playing the final seven games of the season in the northeast, four at home and three on the road in Buffalo, Baltimore and New York.

SRC: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=71953

 

[Fixit]

I didn't see the thread referenced, but it is certainly possible. It's about time of possession rather than the number of minutes in the game.

Didn't the Pats have the fewest offensive possessions in the NFL this year, as well?

 

[indycolts685]

SRC: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=71953

Oh I see so the last game isn't counted in those minutes on the sideline then? That would give Manning like 75 minutes on the sideline total for the season..

 

[PatriotsReign]

Its clear that you didn't comprehend what I said. Maybe because you attempted to read more into it than was there?

The '72 Dolphins only went 17-0. Should the Patriots win next week, they will be 17-0. Equaling the '72 Dolphins.

Should the Pats go 19-0, yes, they will be better than the Dolphins. And no where did I say otherwise.

I think that its YOU who have been hanging with Mercury Morris too long because you can't understand when someone says 17-0 = 17-0.

Ok, I see your point. Thanks for straightening me out on that!

 

[theflinger]

Oh I see so the last game isn't counted in those minutes on the sideline then? That would give Manning like 75 minutes on the sideline total for the season..

The point was the minutes compared out such that it took manning x minutes to get to 49, and brady did it in a little less than x minutes. In additional minutes, brady added another, which manning did not do since he was not playing.

Sorry for not being clear- I wasn't the original poster.

 

[indycolts685]

The point was the minutes compared out such that it took manning x minutes to get to 49, and brady did it in a little less than x minutes. In additional minutes, brady added another, which manning did not do since he was not playing.

Sorry for not being clear- I wasn't the original poster.

Oh ok I understand. One things for sure they both had great seasons either way you look at it..

 

[theflinger]

Oh ok I understand. One things for sure they both had great seasons either way you look at it..

No doubt. As has been said many times, I'm pretty sure 99% of Pats and Colts fans would not do a switch of QBs. At this level of greatness, it's subjective.

 

[mgcolby]

Oh I see so the last game isn't counted in those minutes on the sideline then? That would give Manning like 75 minutes on the sideline total for the season..

If you look at the date of the post you will see that it was posted BEFORE the final game was played.

 

[FrontSeven]

Ok, I keep going to colts forums to see what they have to say about Manning losin his record, and all i hear is the exsuse that he had his record in 15 games,

Well, Manning sat for an entire game, right?

Tom played in weather though (5 games below 40 degrees).

Time for everybody to (as Fitzy says) calm the eff down. This is not something to start a war over.