PATRIOTS NEWS Dennard Sentenced to 30 days + 100 hours Community Service

[Frezo]

Hah! How about that.

Funny I've seen him referred to as having a law degree elsewhere.

That's actually kindof appalling that he has no more than a B.A. given all the implications of the CBA, player discipline etc.

I've read it in many places too. Somehow the rumor got started and snowballed. Isn't the internet wonderful?

 

[Deus Irae]

So tell me - why is the NFL reviewing the Dennard situation and is "considering further discipline" if they don't believe they have jurisdiction and can't consider further discipline?

This has been gone over time and time again. Scroll back to any number of posts to find the answer to your query.

 

[Deus Irae]

I've read it in many places too. Somehow the rumor got started and snowballed. Isn't the internet wonderful?

 

[JoeSixPat]

This has been gone over time and time again. Scroll back to any number of posts to find the answer to your query.

Why don't you just recap on that short simple point.

Why is the NFL considering additional discipline if the NFL knows it cannot consider additional discipline?

Could it be that the NFL believes it CAN impose additional discipline - regardless of your opinion on this matter?

If so, who's opinion do you think counts more? Yours or Roger Goodell?

 

[belichick010405]

You truly don't know what you are talking about. Had this occurred when Dennard was a junior, he wouldn't have been suspended or kicked off the team. Just ask Kendrick Ellis who wasn't suspended or kicked of the team while attending Hampton even though he was facing felony assault charges, as a junior.

Hey Bruinz - had this occurred when Dennard was a junior, you don't think that there would have been a reprimand by the university?

I agree that it is unlikely the Commissioner's office will do anything and I was just trying to make the minor point that the office has standing to review the case and determine if they have grounds to impose some form of discipline within the jurisdiction of the CBA.

My apologies for the confusion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why don't you just recap on that short simple point.

Why is the NFL considering additional discipline if the NFL knows it cannot consider additional discipline?

Could it be that the NFL believes it CAN impose additional discipline - regardless of your opinion on this matter?

If so, who's opinion do you think counts more? Yours or Roger Goodell?

I'm sorry you were unable to go back and actually read the thread. You missed some interesting posts. Good luck fixing your computer.

 

[belichick010405]

Umm.. The public record is for an incident that occurred while Dennard was not a member of the NFLPA or the New England Patriots. The TIME of incident is what matters. Not the time of the public record.

I agree with that sentiment but we are going to find out of the Commissioner agrees if the conviction can be attached to the powers that have been granted to him. He may try and I am not saying that it would be right.

 

[Deus Irae]

Hey Bruinz - had this occurred when Dennard was a junior, you don't think that there would have been a reprimand by the university?

I agree that it is unlikely the Commissioner's office will do anything and I was just trying to make the minor point that the office has standing to review the case and determine if they have grounds to impose some form of discipline within the jurisdiction of the CBA.

My apologies for the confusion.

It seems as if you're now either back to arguing what you conceded before, or you're changing your initial argument.

Standing is not at issue. Jurisdiction is. Every human being on the planet, every corporation, and every government, can "review" the case and determine if they have grounds to do anything. That's meaningless.

What matters is what people/organizations/governments can actually do. In this case, despite JoeSixPat's ridiculous claim to the contrary, the mere act of the NFL stating it will review the case does [highlight]not[/highlight] mean that "any argument that the NFL has no standing to further discipline is already out the window... ".

He made an absurd claim. Don't get caught up in it.

 

[belichick010405]

So you give a link to a link and think that it supports your claims? I have news for you, it doesn't.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

The PREAMBLE of the CBA actually over-rules your claims that Goodell has the right to punish Dennard. Otherwise, you could claim that Danny Amendola could be suspended because his father is suing the Cowboys because of a Golf Cart mishap... Sine Amendola is involved in that and it is detrimental to the league to have that in court...

And I agree with that Bruinz. The Preamble is clear that at the time of the incident, Dennard is not a covered player. With that said, there is a very thin line that the Commissioner may try to cross regarding the felony conviction of Dennard while Ellis plead to a lesser charge with no admission of guilt.

There is a difference between the two cases even though, it certainly appears that Ellis's acts were far more egregious than Dennard considering that the police officer's testimony was inconsistent in comparison to the video tape that was offered into evidence.

 

[Deus Irae]

And I agree with that Bruinz. The Preamble is clear that at the time of the incident, Dennard is not a covered player. With that said, there is a very thin line that the Commissioner may try to cross regarding the felony conviction of Dennard while Ellis plead to a lesser charge with no admission of guilt...

Where is any such demarcation located in the CBA, in the context of the time of the incident issue?

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm sorry you were unable to go back and actually read the thread. You missed some interesting posts. Good luck fixing your computer.

Seriously.

Just tell us - why is the NFL considering additional discipline when they are barred from considering additional discipline?

It's a simple question. You seem to be avoiding it.

 

[belichick010405]

It seems as if you're now either back to arguing what you conceded before, or you're changing your initial argument.

Standing is not at issue. Jurisdiction is. Every human being on the planet, every corporation, and every government, can "review" the case and determine if they have grounds to do anything. That's meaningless.

What matters is what people/organizations/governments can actually do. In this case, despite JoeSixPat's ridiculous claim to the contrary, the mere act of the NFL stating it will review the case does [highlight]not[/highlight] mean that "any argument that the NFL has no standing to further discipline is already out the window... ".

He made an absurd claim. Don't get caught up in it.

Deus - with all due respect, talk to someone else.

 

[Joker]

Would you similarly rant about racist conspiracies if Dennard played for the Jets? No, I wouldn't...you got me on that one I freely admit People typically get arrested when they punch a cop.Yup...I agree That one mistake doesn't make Dennard a bad person but to liken his arrest and conviction after due process to a KKK type conspiracy makes you sound like a silly homer.I'm doing no such thing.I'm proposing the possibility that he gets blindsided AFTER he is incarcerated by a racist correctional officer in a midwestern state known for its Klan population.

If Dennard keeps his nose clean the judge has the option of dismissing the 30 days.if pigs had wings... BTW most people sentenced to 30 days are released in about a week because of overcrowding.that's plenty of time for him to be jammed up...as I posited,a likely scenario is right at the very point of his surrender to correctional authorities, when the media focus is at its highest.

BTW Disorderly Conduct is a breach of the peace offense and, in and of itself, is not applicable to someone assaulting someone (cop or not). Disorderly is not a crime against the person while Assault & Battery is.uh...I'm well aware of this fact from the very start...the Nebraska prosecutor REFUSED to plea it down to disorderly in this case...who knows why, right?

keep rolling your eyes and shooting your mouth off about "silly homers!!!"....I'm not "silly!" when it comes to blind trust in a system that has been proven to be racist for over a century....and one other thing you may want to make a note of....I have personal,verifiable knowledge of abuses perpetrated by correctional employees right here in R.I. Incidents that mirror EXACTLY what I described in my "what if" scenario. It happens. If you contend it doesn't then all I can say is it is YOU that is the SILLY GOMER.