Dennard hearing today

[tuckeverlasting]

Ridiculous. People have murdered and gotten a lessor sentence.

so, hernandez won't do much jail time ?

 

[supafly]

so, hernandez won't do much jail time ?

Yeah--understanding that denverpatsfan is rather frustrated, I haven't seen too many murderers who have gotten off with a potential 38 day jail sentence, and 100 additional hours of community service. Most of all, on their personal timeframe when to report...

I guess murdering isn't too serious of an offense out there in Denver?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Perhaps Ian could add a day by day ticket at the top of the forum counting "Days without a Dennard arrest"

 

[JMC00]

447 days in-between his assault arrest and DUI and 149 days since he was arrested for the DUI.

 

[JMC00]

Update on his DUI

Dennard pleaded no contest today in Lancaster County Court in Lincoln, Neb. to refusing a chemical test, and a judge dismissed his charge of driving under the influence. Dennard was given a concurrent probation term, has lost his driver’s license for 60 days and was ordered to pay a $500 fine

So charged for refusing a chemical test but DUI dismissed

 

[PP2]

Perhaps Ian could add a day by day ticket at the top of the forum counting "Days without a Dennard arrest"

If he gets incarcerated one more time, it'll be his third time and he very likely will not put on a Patriots jersey again.

Let's hope he never gets to that point.

 

[JMC00]

If he gets incarcerated one more time, it'll be his third time

When were the first 2 times?

 

[PATS68]

Normally he'd be looking at serving 50-60% of that sentence in real jail time. However nothing in this case has been handled normally right from the start. The Lincoln police department has got a hard on for Denard big time and what would have normally been handled as a misdemeanor drunk and disorderly for the original fight became a pissing contest between the cop he swung, his police buddies, and Dennard. Unless I have been misinformed, he had no previous record. And if that's the case the DA going after a felony charge based on the evidence that was published smacks of over prosecution to start with

Clearly the cops have won and if Dennard ever steps inside the city limits of Lincoln Nebraska he SHOULD be thrown in jail for gross stupidity. BTW - at some point in time down the road, if I were Dennard, I look into the possibility of a civil suit against the police for the way they handled this entire affair. Basically that have almost ruined this kid's life over something that happens every single weekend in that college town.

I had to respond to this post because it is so wrong.

First off the DA went with what he/she felt was the right level offense and a jury agreed with him/her so I have no clue where you are getting "over prosecution". The DA has to be in that court room every day so if he/she "over prosecution" don't you think it would really hurt their reputation with the judge in future cases?

Do you know what their policy or practice is if this type of crime is committed?

Second a Judge let it go the jury so again the judge agreed with the charge. I had gone through a full Superior Court trial and judge didn't agree with the charge and dismissed the case before it made it to the jury.

"The fight became a pissing contest between him and cop". Well I am a cop and the last thing I and the rest of the guys I work with would want to do is get in a fight with someone the size of Dennard. Were you there? Do you know what was said and what happened or are you jumping to a conclusion?

 

[ausbacker]

I had to respond to this post because it is so wrong.

First off the DA went with what he/she felt was the right level offense and a jury agreed with him/her so I have no clue where you are getting "over prosecution". The DA has to be in that court room every day so if he/she "over prosecution" don't you think it would really hurt their reputation with the judge in future cases?

Do you know what their policy or practice is if this type of crime is committed?

Second a Judge let it go the jury so again the judge agreed with the charge. I had gone through a full Superior Court trial and judge didn't agree with the charge and dismissed the case before it made it to the jury.

"The fight became a pissing contest between him and cop". Well I am a cop and the last thing I and the rest of the guys I work with would want to do is get in a fight with someone the size of Dennard. Were you there? Do you know what was said and what happened or are you jumping to a conclusion?

I'm not sure I understand why you would need to bring up the bolded comment. He's listed as 5'10 and 200lbs. Why would that have any bearing on the decision to engage someone if it were deemed necessary?

 

[PATS68]

I'm not sure I understand why you would need to bring up the bolded comment. He's listed as 5'10 and 200lbs. Why would that have any bearing on the decision to engage someone if it were deemed necessary?

You post 5'10 200lbs (rock solid) like it is no big thing! We are not talking about "someone" we are talking about a world class athlete who is very powerful and strong and gets paid a lot of money for being powerful and strong.

There is also a rule that I follow. In every incident I go to there is always one gun involved and I so happen to bring that one gun. I have to keep that in mind when I decide to "engage someone".

I also found out they pay you the same if you fight them or talk to them. The second option is what I go with now with almost being 40! The last two so called fights I got into I tazed them and 5 seconds later it was done and over with and not one punch thrown!

 

[ausbacker]

You post 5'10 200lbs (rock solid) like it is no big thing! We are not talking about "someone" we are talking about a world class athlete who is very powerful and strong and gets paid a lot of money for being powerful and strong.

There is also a rule that I follow. In every incident I go to there is always one gun involved and I so happen to bring that one gun. I have to keep that in mind when I decide to "engage someone".

I also found out they pay you the same if you fight them or talk to them. The second option is what I go with now with almost being 40! The last two so called fights I got into I tazed them and 5 seconds later it was done and over with and not one punch thrown!

It's probably because I've been around 6'3 230 plus elite athletes for the majority of my life that 5'10 200 seems smallish in comparison. That's probably my own prejudice there PATS68. The rest of your commentary is fair, I was more intrigued to read your rationale.

 

[patfanken]

I had to respond to this post because it is so wrong.

First off the DA went with what he/she felt was the right level offense and a jury agreed with him/her so I have no clue where you are getting "over prosecution". The DA has to be in that court room every day so if he/she "over prosecution" don't you think it would really hurt their reputation with the judge in future cases?

Do you know what their policy or practice is if this type of crime is committed?

Second a Judge let it go the jury so again the judge agreed with the charge. I had gone through a full Superior Court trial and judge didn't agree with the charge and dismissed the case before it made it to the jury.

"The fight became a pissing contest between him and cop". Well I am a cop and the last thing I and the rest of the guys I work with would want to do is get in a fight with someone the size of Dennard. Were you there? Do you know what was said and what happened or are you jumping to a conclusion?

Fair enough. You ask an interesting question. But let me ask you one back. As a police officer how many time have you seen a first time offender, with no previous history of violence or arrest, tried for a felony at a bar fight. Is that the usual practice?

Before you answer understand that the first 10 years after college I moonlighted as bar security at several bars in Boston. I worked the door, the floor, and behind the bar (more $). During that time I was in a number of bar fights, and for every fight, I broke up many more before violence broke out. In that time I also had to testify in court a few times. At no time did I ever see a first time offender get charged with a felony. I also have a number of friends who were police.....though all are retired now.

In conversations I asked them the same question when this incident first came out. The only reason they could give is for the felony charge is that the off duty cop was pissed to the extent that he wanted it prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This was personal.

Now Dennard doesn't get a free pass here. He was there, he was involved and he hit the the off duty cop. But a felony? please don't tell me that that would be usual for a bar fight, even when a uniformed cop is involved, let alone an off duty one. Again the important factor his was no prior history of violence or arrest.

You sound like you've been a police officer for a while now, and you have my utmost respect. I know how hard and often thankless job it is. Thank you. However we all know that justice is not always blind. Sometimes its personal.

All I'm saying is, while acknowledging that I don't know all the facts of the trial, (and I'd love to see the transcripts) It just seems like, based on my personal experience, it seems like a harsh prosecution. BTW-not the sentence so much but the fact it was tried as a felony. I doubt very much it would have been if the guy he hit hadn't be a cop.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts on this. I'll be interested in your reponse.

 

[PATS68]

Fair enough. You ask an interesting question. But let me ask you one back. As a police officer how many time have you seen a first time offender, with no previous history of violence or arrest, tried for a felony at a bar fight. Is that the usual practice?

Before you answer understand that the first 10 years after college I moonlighted as bar security at several bars in Boston. I worked the door, the floor, and behind the bar (more $). During that time I was in a number of bar fights, and for every fight, I broke up many more before violence broke out. In that time I also had to testify in court a few times. At no time did I ever see a first time offender get charged with a felony. I also have a number of friends who were police.....though all are retired now.

In conversations I asked them the same question when this incident first came out. The only reason they could give is for the felony charge is that the off duty cop was pissed to the extent that he wanted it prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This was personal.

Now Dennard doesn't get a free pass here. He was there, he was involved and he hit the the off duty cop. But a felony? please don't tell me that that would be usual for a bar fight, even when a uniformed cop is involved, let alone an off duty one. Again the important factor his was no prior history of violence or arrest.

You sound like you've been a police officer for a while now, and you have my utmost respect. I know how hard and often thankless job it is. Thank you. However we all know that justice is not always blind. Sometimes its personal.

All I'm saying is, while acknowledging that I don't know all the facts of the trial, (and I'd love to see the transcripts) It just seems like, based on my personal experience, it seems like a harsh prosecution. BTW-not the sentence so much but the fact it was tried as a felony. I doubt very much it would have been if the guy he hit hadn't be a cop.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts on this. I'll be interested in your reponse.

It was not a felony for the bar fight it was a felony because he assaulted a uniformed police officer on a four officer detail. I 100% can tell you those officers told Dennard to go home and he decided to fight, why can I say that because I have been there done that.

To answer your question on first offense it had to be that bad. The officer had to be injured or Dennard was that out of control. The DA went with what they thought was the right charge and went with it due to the report and information they received. In most places the DA tries to throw your case back to district court so that should tell you if the DA took the case it was that bad.

I have been in a court room for the last 10 years and let me tell you these lawyers are all part of the same club. If the DA was out of line then these lawyers would have no problem letting him/her know it. I have been part of 1000's of plea deals and believe me they are all part of the same club.

Defense attorneys will act like they hate the police in front of their clients, but who brings them their clients the police.

My question back to you is how many times has there been a fight in the bar and both guys deal with the police and walk?

 

[patfanken]

It was not a felony for the bar fight it was a felony because he assaulted a uniformed police officer on a four officer detail. I 100% can tell you those officers told Dennard to go home and he decided to fight, why can I say that because I have been there done that.

To answer your question on first offense it had to be that bad. The officer had to be injured or Dennard was that out of control. The DA went with what they thought was the right charge and went with it due to the report and information they received. In most places the DA tries to throw your case back to district court so that should tell you if the DA took the case it was that bad.

I have been in a court room for the last 10 years and let me tell you these lawyers are all part of the same club. If the DA was out of line then these lawyers would have no problem letting him/her know it. I have been part of 1000's of plea deals and believe me they are all part of the same club.

Defense attorneys will act like they hate the police in front of their clients, but who brings them their clients the police.

My question back to you is how many times has there been a fight in the bar and both guys deal with the police and walk?

Well first off you add a new piece of info. I was under the assumption that the off duty officer was out of uniform. So if he was in uniform it does make any assault by Dennard that much more serious.

I have been involved in bar fights where the cops are called in and some drunk guy takes a swing at one of the cops. I never saw any cop take it serious, though I never saw a cop hurt or even bruised by a drunk. A you know drunks can't fight well.

If the cop was uniformed. If the cop identified himself. If the cop made a reasonable effort to allow the crowd to disperse. Then any attack by Dennard is certainly an assault.

However it was my understanding that the cop was not in uniform and tried to grab Dennard and he lashed out at the person trying to hold him.

However I'm still having trouble with the picture of the out of control Dennard who knowingly assaulted a uniformed police officer with a kid who had never had any problems with the police before that night??? Does Dennard have a record we don't know about?

Clearly we are operating under a different set of information - Is there a site or an article that would clear up some of the discrepancies. This is the first time I've heard there was a uniformed detail of 4 officers at the site.

 

[neuronet]

I have been involved in bar fights where the cops are called in and some drunk guy takes a swing at one of the cops. I never saw any cop take it serious, though I never saw a cop hurt or even bruised by a drunk. A you know drunks can't fight well.

I don't know where you are from, but it is not 99 percent of the US. You swing at a cop, you are screwed. Unless you mean in the heat of breaking up a fight, things can be a little messy. Maybe. But you flat-out take a swing at a cop, you are asking for it, drunk or not.

 

[Joker]

yeah, Nebraska must be so different when it comes to OFF DUTY police officers being pure as the driven snow. Here in RI,one must be extremely wary of UNIFORMED ON DUTY OFFICERS when one comes in contact on the street...

Police Brutality, Rhode Island Cop Kicks HANDCUFFED woman in head! - YouTube

of course, if one were to take the time to peruse all the videos to the right lined up in a column, one would see state after state, vicious, unwarranted, violent assaults on handcuffed "suspects" from state to state to state across this country.....but not Nebraska...no, not pure as the driven snow Lincoln Nebraska....THAT could NEVER be a possibility.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

yeah, Nebraska must be so different when it comes to OFF DUTY police officers being pure as the driven snow. Here in RI,one must be extremely wary of UNIFORMED ON DUTY OFFICERS when one comes in contact on the street...

Police Brutality, Rhode Island Cop Kicks HANDCUFFED woman in head! - YouTube

of course, if one were to take the time to peruse all the videos to the right lined up in a column, one would see state after state, vicious, unwarranted, violent assaults on handcuffed "suspects" from state to state to state across this country.....but not Nebraska...no, not pure as the driven snow Lincoln Nebraska....THAT could NEVER be a possibility.

This! And exactly this!

You could spend the better part of a month on the internet compiling factual cases of cops (some off duty) that have grossly abused their authority. So while the police are necessary function of a free society and there will be just as many cops that consider fairness to be a high principle of their job, please spare me the assumption of benevolence and fair play applies to the occupation of cop. It's a lie and a gross one at that......