Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions

[Sanchize]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Question guys, why didn't BB rehire Romeo Crennel after Cleveland fired him? I thought for sure RAC would be back with ur team.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

if pees is to blame then BB is too....he is part of every play

Sorry to break the news, but Belichick isn't in on every single play call. In fact, he gives tons of autonomy to his coordinators in-game.

Look at the recent Jets game, tons of miscommunication and delay of game penalties (new OC O'Brien). Look at how different the 06-08 offense was from the 01-04 offense. Look at how different the Pees 06-09 defense is compared to the 01-04 defense.


Read some more books on Belichick. The guy learned after Cleveland, to delegate more and to give his coordinators tons of autonomy.

The various styles we see now on defense and offense, are as much if not more because of his coordinators, than they are about Belichick.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Question guys, why didn't BB rehire Romeo Crennel after Cleveland fired him? I thought for sure RAC would be back with ur team.

Maybe Belichick likes Pees as his assistant and saw no wrong with Pees managing the D

 

[bostonia3333]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Don't be surprisesd if Pees gets relegated or fired DURING the season. If he continues to be coordinator in New England, I have little faith in this team making the playoffs. As someone stated earlier, Pees has little imagination and these vanilla coverage schemes you can think of one or two days before the actual game.


Seriously, I thought this was going to be a dyamic defense that was going to take some chances. It looks like a carbon copy of last year's defense. I do think our secondary is much improved over last year's unit, but we aren't taking advantage of it by playing 10-15 yards off of WRs. I thought Bodden and Springs were supposed to be upgrades and their man to man skills were good enough to leave them on islands, and that can allow you to employ a myriad of blitz packages.

I'd say fire him ASAP--get Crenell back, heck even Tedy, Rodney, Cowher, Gruden--anyone but Pees!

 

[SVN]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Sorry to break the news, but Belichick isn't in on every single play call. In fact, he gives tons of autonomy to his coordinators in-game.

Look at the recent Jets game, tons of miscommunication and delay of game penalties (new OC O'Brien). Look at how different the 06-08 offense was from the 01-04 offense. Look at how different the Pees 06-09 defense is compared to the 01-04 defense.


Read some more books on Belichick. The guy learned after Cleveland, to delegate more and to give his coordinators tons of autonomy.

The various styles we see now on defense and offense, are as much if not more because of his coordinators, than they are about Belichick.

thanks for the breaking news. i didnt know that bb delegates.
look at all the players that are different from 01-04 and 06-09. older players,poor corners etc..
i know you have a lot of dislike for all the pats coords post 2006 and iam not saying ilike pees either but BB is responsible for what is happening on the field. if bb is not involved in every play the at the very least he has a say in what went wrong postgame and the gameplan after that. if bb is tolerating pees for 3-4 yrs then whose fault is it ?

 

[mb6592]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

The Jests were 3/11 on 3rd down conversions.
The Jests were forced to kick FGs on 2/3 redzone opportunities.
The Jests managed 254 yards of total offense.
The Jests scored 16 points.

ranting on the defense after this game? Makes very little sense.

That's not the real story. Would these numbers make you satisfied w/ the defense?

Sanchez: 22-24 294 yds 2 touchdowns 26 points

Time of Possession - Jets: 36:02 Pats: 23:58

Total Offense - Jets: 398 yds

These numbers are false and are just shown to illustrate that when the Jets decided to unleash Sanchez, the defense responded with a terrible half of football. Listen, I blame the offense for this one, but for those of you exonerating the defense, I suggest you remove the rose colored glasses. We were sitting there at the half proud of the defensive effort and hoping that the offense would get untracked in the second half then the defense was fairly average (at best) in the second half:

Sanchez: 3-5 15yds 3 points (1st half)

Sanchez: 11-17 147yds 1 touchdown 13 points (2nd half)

Time of Possession - Jets: 11:09 Pats: 18:41 (1st half)

Time of Possession - Jets: 18:01 Pats: 12:09 (2nd half)

Total Offense - Pats: 197 Jets: 55 (1st half)

Total Offense - Pats: 102 Jets: 199 (2nd half)

 

[wdkantro2]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Pees is a major reason I'm not considering Adalius a bust; he's never put in the position to make plays. He's been successful when he's consistently had opportunities to rush the passer, but those have been few and far between. No one can look good when they are being assigned to drop back in a zone 50 plays again.
And if there's no talent, how come Seymour was able to come up with 2 sacks and multiple hurries in his first game with the Raiders after essentially sucking since the last time the Pats won a super bowl?
I believe their system is great for a team with flaws. It can hide those flaws, or at least minimize them. It's a great equalizer. However, I think it also works the other way. Star players are also brought back to earth. How come they can win a championship with Earthwind Moreland as a starting DB, but they can't win one with the likes of Adalius Thomas, Vince Wilfork et. al?

 

[upstater1]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

It's almost comical because the last time Dean went blitz happy it cost us a Lombardi.

There was a quote by Vrabel regarding the defensive communications comment BB made that was insightful if you're open to insight. He said sometimes delays were the result of lag time while BB decided if they were going to blitz. This is Bill's defense, never was RAC's or Erics or Deans. None of them are defensive guru's hired to install or develop a defense. They were caretakers and implementors of Bill's defense. He's the one who makes the call prior to formulating the game plans each week as to what approach he feels is best suited given the opponent and his own roster. I'm sure he has his reasons, too, only we will likely never know them. Could be he feels aspects of this D in transition are not yet capable of success if we attempt to sustain blitzes or it could be Ernie has some data that says it doesn't generally work as well as most folks assume.

And facing facts if the offense had been able to finish drives early or even sustain them into FG range late, or the ST not handed Sanchez the ball near mid field over and over, the D would have worked just fine.

It's hard to say. With Romeo it might have been different.

I got to see Pees coach in college, and he didn't really leave a good impression. It wasn't that his team was bad (he was a MAC coach) but rather he became irate at the UConn HC when UConn scored a late touchdown. Just accosted him on the field. I thought that was pretty poor. But, I do agree with you that it's interesting that Belichick calls the plays.

I'm just not convinced that it was always that way.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

look at all the players that are different from 01-04 and 06-09. older players,poor corners etc..
i know you have a lot of dislike for all the pats coords post 2006 and iam not saying ilike pees either but BB is responsible for what is happening on the field.

It's pretty funny that you can't admit that the coordinator has tons of influence on the Patriots and how they play.

Belichick isn't a dictator. Anyone not biased with an agenda, who looks at how different the units have looked on offense and defense in 2009, 2008, 2007, 2001-2004, etc, can admit that it's not just related to personnel, but that coordinators DO influence how the team performs.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

Question guys, why didn't BB rehire Romeo Crennel after Cleveland fired him? I thought for sure RAC would be back with ur team.

Where would BB put him? You want him to demote a DC he likes to rehire Crennel?

Last I heard, Crennel wanted to take a year off before coaching again. Plus, he's in his mid 60s.

 

[SVN]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

It's pretty funny that you can't admit that the coordinator has tons of influence on the Patriots and how they play.

Belichick isn't a dictator. Anyone not biased with an agenda, who looks at how different the units have looked on offense and defense in 2009, 2008, 2007, 2001-2004, etc, can admit that it's not just related to personnel, but that coordinators DO influence how the team performs.

and its extremely funny that you cant admit that BB has the ultimate authority to hire /change/fire coordinators. I have no issues with admitting the coordinators are doing something and not just wearing headsets but you conveniently ignore that BB is also there doing something other than watching his coords screw up as you think so because its not his job. Take off your 1 sided hate for mcdaniels and company and include BB as part of the responsibility of building this team and hiring/grooming coordinators and offensive schemes. BB is the one who goes to florida to disscuss the offense you so much despise.Its his team.
when plays are bad its all the coords. when the gameplan is good...bb is ultimate master at confusing opponents.

oh, i dont have a biased agenda. this is fan site for discussions. quite frankly if anyone has an agenda its been you with mcdaniels.everyone knows it here.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

dean pees has no imagination

I bet he imagines having Bruschi, McGinest and Vrabel in their prime sometimes.

 

[fgssand]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

That's not the real story. Would these numbers make you satisfied w/ the defense?

Sanchez: 22-24 294 yds 2 touchdowns 26 points

Time of Possession - Jets: 36:02 Pats: 23:58

Total Offense - Jets: 398 yds

These numbers are false and are just shown to illustrate that when the Jets decided to unleash Sanchez, the defense responded with a terrible half of football. Listen, I blame the offense for this one, but for those of you exonerating the defense, I suggest you remove the rose colored glasses. We were sitting there at the half proud of the defensive effort and hoping that the offense would get untracked in the second half then the defense was fairly average (at best) in the second half:

Sanchez: 3-5 15yds 3 points (1st half)

Sanchez: 11-17 147yds 1 touchdown 13 points (2nd half)

Time of Possession - Jets: 11:09 Pats: 18:41 (1st half)

Time of Possession - Jets: 18:01 Pats: 12:09 (2nd half)

Total Offense - Pats: 197 Jets: 55 (1st half)

Total Offense - Pats: 102 Jets: 199 (2nd half)[/quote

No way can the "D" be blamed for this loss - when you give up only 16 points, you should win the game. If you want to put it on st or the offens,e fine - but not the "D".

If there is one bright spot so far, it is indeed the defense. They are younger, faster and will only get better as the season moves on and we get mayo back.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

BB has the ultimate authority to hire /change/fire coordinators. I have no issues with admitting the coordinators are doing something and not just wearing headsets but you conveniently ignore that BB is also there doing something other than watching his coords screw up as you think so because its not his job.

It's not worth the effort, but anyone can see how completely different the offensive and defensive units have looked under various coordinators with Belichick as coach. Even in 2005 when Mangini was a horrible coordinator, Belichick as a defensive whiz still gave his coordinator tons of autonomy. In fact, even though Mangini was so bad, Belichick still wanted him back. There is no proof that the fact Belichick keeps a coordinator, that it's an automatic stamp of approval. When is the last time he has ever fired an offensive or defensive coordinator as Pats HC?

 

[SVN]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

It's not worth the effort, but anyone can see how completely different the offensive and defensive units have looked under various coordinators with Belichick as coach. Even in 2005 when Mangini was a horrible coordinator, Belichick as a defensive whiz still gave his coordinator tons of autonomy. In fact, even though Mangini was so bad, Belichick still wanted him back. There is no proof that the fact Belichick keeps a coordinator, that it's an automatic stamp of approval. When is the last time he has ever fired an offensive or defensive coordinator as Pats HC?

and whose fault is it again to keep who you call incompetent coordinators ?kraft ? as you say it.."its not worth the effort". You contradict your own arguments.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

and whose fault is it again to keep who you call incompetent coordinators ?kraft ?

I guess you can try to say it's all Belichick's fault, even though the guy can't control everything and doesn't try to. Look at his history, he gives his coordinators tons of autonomy and it has shown over the past 9 years.

Belichick hasn't fired a coordinator, ever, since he's been a Pats coach. It doesn't mean they're automatically great.

 

[SVN]

Re: Dean Pees on the Defense - Blitz questions.

I guess you can try to say it's all Belichick's fault, even though the guy can't control everything and doesn't try to. Look at his history, he gives his coordinators tons of autonomy and it has shown over the past 9 years.

Belichick hasn't fired a coordinator, ever, since he's been a Pats coach. It doesn't mean they're automatically great.

no one says they are. point is BB is equally to blame for the scheme/performance/weekly gameplans .this week o brien didnt go with the no huddle idea on his own for e.g .At least i believe so ,maybe you think o'brien cameup and forced the no huddle idea on BB.
So blame the coords all you want but BB drives them all. he isnt a blind king.I like BB as much as anyone else but the product we see on the field has BB's prints all over.,good or bad. not just pees or anyone doing what they please for 4 quarters or 4 yrs for that matter.

 

[Nunchucks]

I think it is very obvious that this Patriots defense isn't as dynamic as it was under RAC. The Patriots defense used to force offenses to adjust to them, which led to QB mistakes and turnovers. How many times have you seen a QB check to a different play against a Pees defense? How many times has the Patriots come with an exotic blitz that the offense was not prepared for?

I agree that Pees just isn't a very good defensive play caller. RAC got so much more out of the defense that it makes me kinda sick.

Patriots need to find somebody that can force offenses to respect the defense, cause right now the defense plays on its heels all game long.

Oh and the proof is in the pudding...how many interceptions do the Patriots defense have under Pees?

 

[mayoclinic]

I think it is very obvious that this Patriots defense isn't as dynamic as it was under RAC. The Patriots defense used to force offenses to adjust to them, which led to QB mistakes and turnovers. How many times have you seen a QB check to a different play against a Pees defense? How many times has the Patriots come with an exotic blitz that the offense was not prepared for?

I agree that Pees just isn't a very good defensive play caller. RAC got so much more out of the defense that it makes me kinda sick.

Patriots need to find somebody that can force offenses to respect the defense, cause right now the defense plays on its heels all game long.

Oh and the proof is in the pudding...how many interceptions do the Patriots defense have under Pees?

Very nice post. "Dynamic" is a great word. Changing things up is key.

A lot of people seem to equate "aggressive" and "attacking" with "blitzing". The blitz is one component of an attacking defense, but it's not the whole story. If you blitz all the time, you will probably pay a price. As you say, it's "forcing offenses to adjust", which throws them out of sync and off their game. It's creating confusion by throwing different formations at them, by changing around personnel, by changing the defensive alignment at the last minute, by masking your schemes so they can't tell where the pressure will be coming from, by dropping back when they think you're blitzing and blitzing when they think you're playing it safe, by making them pay on both ends for every completion, by doing things that they're not prepared for, and generally by getting them so befuddled, confused, frustrated, and antsy about getting hit that they make mistakes that they usually wouldn't make.

We did that in the 2001 SB. We took on the Greatest Show on Turf and threw a lot of curve balls at them, while punishing them for every yard. We disrupted Warner's rhythm and timing, and got his receivers looking for who was going to hit them instead of looking for the ball. We did the same thing with the Colts in the 2003 and 2004 playoffs.

Now it seems that we just focus on taking away one weapon, and sit back and let the other ones carve us up. We're still playing like we have a bunch of old slow guys on defense.

 

[SVN]

well..you have to admit that with RAC the front 7 was somewhat younger than in the latter yrs more expericenced than the later version
mcginest,bruschi,phifer,vrabel,rodney,colvin of 2004 were not the same in 2007 onwards which IMO has been a loss not yet plugged in with the likes of thomas etc. RAC got away with a beat up secondary on 2004 with a superb front 7 .right now there are two many holes to plugin