Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not smart

[everlong]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Re: Weatherspoon's vocalism.

He's nothing like Joey Porter. He's a talker alright, but in a positive confident way. Reminds me of Ray Lewis actually.

Joey Porter is a loudmouth punk.

If it's more like Lewis great but that's not the way it was portrayed after the combine. Then it comes down to where do you play him. His only "natural" position is already taken by Mayo in the 3-4. Some speculate he could play the weak outside and have the flexibility to play the strong inside on passing downs but Guyton can do that and it's a lot of projections for a first round pick at that point.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

From what I've read I don't think Mayo's leadership is the issue. He's trying to do all the right things but unlike his rookie year when he could go out and play because there was veteran leadership around him he now has a lot of other things to think about. If anything a vet to help take the pressure off and allow him to go out and react might be best.

I don't see Mayo like that at all. I see a guy that clocks in and clocks out and that is just about it. I would like to see or hear about Mayo being something more, but there is no evidence to support that.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Except for the fact that Weatherspoon tackles about as well as Meriweather, sure, he'd be great at #22.

Does Weatherspoon really tackle that badly?

 

[Seneschal2]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Does Weatherspoon really tackle that badly?

I'd think the question ought to be, does Meriweather tackle that badly, and if so, why would BB even play him?

 

[stinkypete]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

I read a scouting report of Weatherspoon that said he has the tendency to explode off the snap but overpersue and ultimately miss the play entirely.

IMO, the Patriots have enough players with that problem already.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

I'd think the question ought to be, does Meriweather tackle that badly, and if so, why would BB even play him?

The answers:
Yes
Because he's Bill's 1st-round pick (& only remaining player) from the abominable '07 draft.

 

[MaineMan]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

I'd think the question ought to be, does Meriweather tackle that badly, and if so, why would BB even play him?

Well, to be honest, there were 15 other starting safeties who had more missed tackles than Meriweather. But then, they also MADE more tackles because they had more opportunities to do so. Part of the reason these guys had more opportunities is related to how they were deployed, of course, but another part is that they were thrown at a lot more often than opposing QBs tested Meriweather.

So, part of the answer to why BB plays him is that he's pretty damn good at coverage and I've never said anything to the contrary.

However, he and Weatherspoon have similar technique issues - over-running the play and going for the hit instead of wrapping up. If Chung steps up and handles the in-the-box stuff as well as McGowan and can cover better (which shouldn't be hard), it helps keep Meriweather out of run-support. This, at least, paws some kitty-litter over the problem.

 

[Seneschal2]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Well, to be honest, there were 15 other starting safeties who had more missed tackles than Meriweather. But then, they also MADE more tackles because they had more opportunities to do so. Part of the reason these guys had more opportunities is related to how they were deployed, of course, but another part is that they were thrown at a lot more often than opposing QBs tested Meriweather.

So, part of the answer to why BB plays him is that he's pretty damn good at coverage and I've never said anything to the contrary.

However, he and Weatherspoon have similar technique issues - over-running the play and going for the hit instead of wrapping up. If Chung steps up and handles the in-the-box stuff as well as McGowan and can cover better (which shouldn't be hard), it helps keep Meriweather out of run-support. This, at least, paws some kitty-litter over the problem.

Understood completely, and as a cat lover -- litter comes in mighty handy.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

The answers:
Yes
Because he's Bill's 1st-round pick (& only remaining player) from the abominable '07 draft.

Hey Stone - The 2007 draft was horrible for the entire friggin league. It's about time you get over yourself and realize that. Go look at the thread about it. I put up some numbers, If that doesn't convince you that the 2007 draft was horrible for the entire league, then you are just ignoring reality.

 

[MaineMan]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

The answers:
Yes
Because he's Bill's 1st-round pick (& only remaining player) from the abominable '07 draft.

In fairness, it's not like there were a ton of safety prospects (or reasonably-priced FAs) who were clearly superior to Meriweather available in 08 and 09 either, Jarius Byrd notwithstanding.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Weatherspoon may be a good player, but I haven't heard anything to believe he could be a SILB. We don't need another Mayo who should be a WILB. The first pick will either be Graham or Kindle.

 

[Warren94]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Hey Stone - The 2007 draft was horrible for the entire friggin league. It's about time you get over yourself and realize that. Go look at the thread about it. I put up some numbers, If that doesn't convince you that the 2007 draft was horrible for the entire league, then you are just ignoring reality.

huh? What are you talking about dbruinz? Peterson, Willis, Sidney Rice, Woodley..Michael Bush..it was a poor draft for the pats

 

[patchick]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

huh? What are you talking about dbruinz? Peterson, Willis, Sidney Rice, Woodley..Michael Bush..it was a poor draft for the pats

What we're talking about is, the Pats parlayed their top 4 choices into Brandon Meriweather, Wes Welker, Ron Brace and Randy Moss. That's a solid return. What everybody really gripes about is that they had a bunch of picks after that and whiffed on ALL of them. Right?

Now go and look carefully through all of the league's picks starting around the immortal Clint Oldenburg:
2007 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Awful. Just plain awful.

 

[MaineMan]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

What we're talking about is, the Pats parlayed their top 4 choices into Brandon Meriweather, Wes Welker, Ron Brace and Randy Moss. That's a solid return. What everybody really gripes about is that they had a bunch of picks after that and whiffed on ALL of them. Right?

Now go and look carefully through all of the league's picks starting around the immortal Clint Oldenburg:
2007 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Awful. Just plain awful.

I'd heard that about him: great with a broadsword and at keeping his head, just sucked at football.

 

[patchick]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

OK, I'm looking back at the original topic of this thread...

So the entire story is that Sean's college position coach thinks he's, like, totally awesome?

:confused2:

 

[MaineMan]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

OK, I'm looking back at the original topic of this thread...

So the entire story is that Sean's college position coach thinks he's, like, totally awesome?

:confused2:

Right. And a player's college position coach never, ever talks a guy up like that. Ever. So the Pats obviously can't pass him up.

Think I'll have my bowl of Cheerios and go to bed now.

 

[Nonentity]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

OK, I'm looking back at the original topic of this thread...

So the entire story is that Sean's college position coach thinks he's, like, totally awesome?

:confused2:

Yes.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

I don't see Mayo like that at all. I see a guy that clocks in and clocks out and that is just about it. I would like to see or hear about Mayo being something more, but there is no evidence to support that.

Not sure what you're reading or not these days. Mayo doesn't clock in or out. He basically lives in a cave in Gillette... He was elected a captain in his sophomore season for that reason as much as his ROY talent. Then he got injured and basically battled just to get back as soon as he could and he was nowhere near healthy all season but he played through it.

 

[everlong]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

Not sure what you're reading or not these days. Mayo doesn't clock in or out. He basically lives in a cave in Gillette... He was elected a captain in his sophomore season for that reason as much as his ROY talent. Then he got injured and basically battled just to get back as soon as he could and he was nowhere near healthy all season but he played through it.

Watson when on with DNC was asked is there a player now who will stand up to Bill like Vrabel, Harrison, Bruschi and the other vets used to and he said Mayo is almost there.

Vrabel and Bruschi also in interviews said he had great leadership skills and would carry the mantle.

And I cannot remember which rookie it was from last year's crop who said Mayo approached them and said I need more from you this week.

And to your point I've read where he basically hasn't left Foxboro this off season.

I was really disappointed in his sophomore campaign especially in regards to tackling but I haven't questioned his heart or leadership as they've been pretty well documented as being solid. I'm hoping his performance was injury related and as I said earlier growing pains with having to run the show without the Bruschi's and Vrabel's. I thought trading Vrabel was a mistake and still do. They could have really have used his leadership last year even if his performance wasn't going to be the same. You can't lose Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison and Seymour all at once and figure there won't be a void.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Dave Steckel: If Weatherspoon is there at 22 & Pats don't draft him,they're not s

OK, I'm looking back at the original topic of this thread...

So the entire story is that Sean's college position coach thinks he's, like, totally awesome?

:confused2:

NO,Its all about him mentioning only the Pats