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Dad asks son to hold beer, kicked out of Arizona Cardinals game

I love the Cardinals, but I can tell you first hand that their fanbase doesn't consist of the brightest crayons in the box. This is par for the course.
 
99% chance that the security guard did watch the pair for longer than it took for Dad to take the picture.

I'm sure he's not throwing somebody out every 10 seconds. He likely watched to see if there was a reason.

Dad's just making an excuse for getting caught giving his kid a beer.

Speculation, but that makes the most sense.

That's as reasonable an explanation as any other. We have no way of knowing the truth.
 
Having someone hold something while you take a picture is not the same thing as cracking open a beer and immediately handing it to that person. If the undercover agents aren't smart enough to grasp that distinction, perhaps they should find a different line of work that doesn't require such strenuous milliseconds of thought and analysis.

Good thing the kid didn't point his finger like a gun. They would have arrested him for brandishing an imaginary weapon without a license,( while holding an alcoholic beverage ! )
 
Before I get flamed, I'll start by admitting that I might have done what the guy says (emphasis on "says") he was doing under similar circumstances.

That said, as the dad of two young sons, I think that the error has to be on the side of protecting a minor in that situation and so I do not fault the security staff.

What's to keep an irresponsible parent (giving the parent in this case the benefit of the doubt as being "responsible") from giving his kid booze or beer in a public setting and then saying to law enforcement, "Oh, he was just holding my drink for me?"

It doesn't matter whether the security guy sees the kid actually taking a drink, since it can reasonably be assumed that if the parent saw the security folks, he would tell his kid "Just hold it in your hand. You can't drink it until that jerk goes away."

As to what others have written about their own experiences as children, what parents do for their own children in these regards in the privacy of their homes and in a gathering limited to family members is something on which I do not pass judgment.
 
Well, as the board's resident Arizona Cardinals season ticket holder, who also attends most games with a person under 21, I suppose I should weigh in here.

There are some overly aggressive security types at the stadium. There also is a rather amazing lack of consistency, especially with respect to foul language and seating violations (like sitting in the wrong seat). Some get very aggressive and escalate. Others ignore. Probably no different from anywhere else.

On the beer thing, chalk me up as voting for discretion. Having a minor hold a beer actually is not a violation of any law. Giving alcohol to a minor is, but there's an important legal difference. Giving means that you relinquish your right in the alcohol. Literally. You own it. You give up your ownership and vest ownership in another. That's what the law prohibits. It does not prohibit putting a beer near a minor. Put another way, for obvious reasons, the law is not access based -- that is, it is not a crime every time a person puts an alcoholic beverage somewhere that a minor can access it, unless it is done with the intention that the minor in fact does access it.

Having your youngster hold your beer while you dig out your camera, so long as you neither intend to have him drink it or give up your ownership of it to him, is impossible to distinguish from putting it down in front of him. What if you put your beer in his cup holder thinking it was yours? What if you are getting mustard on your hot dog and place it down on the condiment cart in front of him. Why would his hand be different? It's not, for legal purposes. The question is your intent. Putting it in his hand so it doesn't spill is not different from putting it on the condiment cart, if your intent is the same.

Now, perhaps the Arizona Cardinals have a policy that minors cannot touch a vessel containing alcohol. If they do, they don't publish it.

I usually have one beer per game, at the beginning of the game. Typically, I get the beer on the way to our seats and then we stop at the bathroom. I don't bring the beer in, because that's gross, so usually he goes in first, and then comes out, and then I put it on top of a garbage can next to the door, and he stands near it. I won't be doing that any more. I would think it's probable that at times I actually have asked him to hold it, like when digging money out of my pocket to buy him some pop corn (which is at a different stand) or something like that. I won't do that either. But to say that I have committed a crime in that cirumstance is absurd. In no case was my intention to let him have a beer.
 
What makes it worse is the kid is 15. He's not gave a 5 year old a can of beer for **** sake. Most 15 year olds drink beer anyway
 
Utter crap. It would be a nice move by the team if the comp'd his season tickets for the year. I'm sure the state regulation is black and white but it would be nice if the cops actually were human. And people say that the 80's sucked. We didn't need to go through metal detectors at games or high school for that matter back then.
 
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