D Mac #3 ranked Safety.

[FreeTedWilliams]

One was his coverage. The other wasn't even close to his.
Thats all you have, getting beaten once?

How about his stats for that game:

No tackles, No passes defended, no sacks, no ints....

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster/Devin-McCourty/61627d42-8ac8-44b1-a924-1e45db59e9ca

I know that Gregory was horrible, but still make some impact on the game (aside from letting up touchdowns). Check out Rodney's stats from the last two Superbowl win years, well over 100 tackles, sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles, one big play after another. McCourty just isn't as good as everyone seems to think he is!

 

[Kontradiction]

How about his stats for that game:

No tackles, No passes defended, no sacks, no ints....

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster/Devin-McCourty/61627d42-8ac8-44b1-a924-1e45db59e9ca

What that should tell you is that Luck wasn't throwing his way... as most QB's tended not to do that season.

 

[Sicilian]

I'm getting the weirdest deja vu right now... anyone else?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

What that should tell you is that Luck wasn't throwing his way... as most QB's tended not to do that season.

except when he threw for that touchdown....

what about making a tackle on a running play? just maybe one? Really a safety that plays an entire football game and doesn't as much log one assist on a tackle???

Everyone is missing my point, you say he is the third best safety in the league, and I'm saying I fail to see it! He doesn't make big plays, he doesn't make big hits, granted he doesn't get beat as routinely as Gregory did, but he just isn't THAT good! He is clearly not the worst, but he is clearly not the best (or even close).

 

[Bruins29]

but he is clearly not the best (or even close).

You want to put your money where your mouth is?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Apparently whoever made this rating didn't watch the last two Patriot playoff games, where he was in a word, AWFUL!

Dmac was the least of our problems that game.

 

[Deus Irae]

except when he threw for that touchdown....

what about making a tackle on a running play? just maybe one? Really a safety that plays an entire football game and doesn't as much log one assist on a tackle???

Everyone is missing my point, you say he is the third best safety in the league, and I'm saying I fail to see it! He doesn't make big plays, he doesn't make big hits, granted he doesn't get beat as routinely as Gregory did, but he just isn't THAT good! He is clearly not the worst, but he is clearly not the best (or even close).

People who insist on a need for big plays demonstrate a lack of understanding of the complexity in football. Football is not like baseball, where you can measure an individual's offensive performance even if measuring the defense is just educated guesswork. Vince Wilfork, just for an example, has not been at the top of the DT/NT list for years because he's constantly making highlight reels. He's been at the top of the DT/NT list for years because he prevents the other team from making plays.

 

[Sicilian]

People who insist on a need for big plays demonstrate a lack of understanding of the complexity in football. Football is not like baseball, where you can measure an individual's offensive performance even if measuring the defense is just educated guesswork. Vince Wilfork, just for an example, has not been at the top of the DT/NT list for years because he's constantly making highlight reels. He's been at the top of the DT/NT list for years because he prevents the other team from making plays.

This was often said of Richard Seymour as well. There was a game (can't remember which one off the top of my head), where Seymour registered no sacks, no tackles, no nothing. People were whining about his lack of impact, while Belichick was giving him the game ball for basically tying up half the offensive line.

 

[Kontradiction]

except when he threw for that touchdown....

Even good players have bad plays from time to time. Brady's had a couple of piss poor games in his career. Based on your logic, you're pretty much saying that Brady hasn't been and isn't a top 3 QB.

what about making a tackle on a running play? just maybe one? Really a safety that plays an entire football game and doesn't as much log one assist on a tackle???

1. McCourty plays the role of a FS. His job is not to come up and take on the run. The only time he makes a run tackle is if the RB breaks through the LOS and gets to the second level.

2. The Colts, as a team, rushed for a whopping 69 yards on the evening. That meant they weren't breaking through to the second level.

Everyone is missing my point, you say he is the third best safety in the league, and I'm saying I fail to see it! He doesn't make big plays, he doesn't make big hits, granted he doesn't get beat as routinely as Gregory did, but he just isn't THAT good! He is clearly not the worst, but he is clearly not the best (or even close).

I don't think he's the third best safety as a whole either. I do think he's in the upper eschelon of free safeties though. Quick, give me 5 free safeties in the league you would take over McCourty. Go!

 

[joepatsfan]

Not that it has to do with McCourty, but Byrd is the most overrated S in the NFL.

I would agree with that but he's still a top tier FS, but not close to worth what we got from NO

 

[sevengables_2207]

Go watch the Indy game, two long touchdowns given up. In a game that the Pats should have had easily, they let Luck score a TD on THREE PLAYS! McCourty was the defender on both of Luck's long TD passes.

The two long touchdowns to Brazill

You seem pretty adamant. How can you be so sure it was not a blown coverage by the corner? Unless you have access to the all-22 coaches film or such, then I will take your analysis with a large grain of salt, FWIW.

 

[203Pat]

I would agree with that but he's still a top tier FS, but not close to worth what we got from NO

That contract was ridiculous. I still think the Browns made the dumbest move by letting Ward walk then overpaying Whitner whom I believe is a major drop off from Ward.

 

[Bruins29]

You seem pretty adamant. How can you be so sure it was not a blown coverage by the corner? Unless you have access to the all-22 coaches film or such, then I will take your analysis with a large grain of salt, FWIW.

He says the same thing in every thread and is proven wrong every time. Its like a record skipping.

 

[Deus Irae]

This was often said of Richard Seymour as well. There was a game (can't remember which one off the top of my head), where Seymour registered no sacks, no tackles, no nothing. People were whining about his lack of impact, while Belichick was giving him the game ball for basically tying up half the offensive line.

I hear that stuff a lot when people are talking about the so-called playmakers. Sometimes, it's absolutely legitimate praise/criticism. Sometimes, it's complete nonsense. People have to look beyond the raw data. I love to point to Arrington's 7 INT year as a prime example, because it's close to home, but you can find that stuff all over the league.

 

[joepatsfan]

That contract was ridiculous. I still think the Browns made the dumbest move by letting Ward walk then overpaying Whitner whom I believe is a major drop off from Ward.

Its a major drop off looking toward the future. Whitner still has 2 good years left it looks like. If they paid him the 7 AAV over 2 seasons then it would be a good deal but by the 3rd and 4th season of his deal he will be done.

At this point its not a huge drop off, but in 2-3 years, they'll wish they kept the young guy

 

[lurker1965]

Gentlemen,

(Waits for everyone to look who came in)

Can we agree that there are not a plethora of good safeties and somebody has to be #3?

 

[PATS68]

Dont tell Pats68 or deters or whatever his name was......according to them DMC is just average.

Every one can have their opinion. Did his name get announced for top 100 players yet?

 

[Bruins29]

Every one can have their opinion. Did his name get announced for top 100 players yet?

Actually he was ranked as the number 3 safety as this thread clearly states. And by the way the more you keep giving us your opinions the more ignorant you look....Still, its probably better than posting some fake GOV, Secret Service, SWAT team accomplishments on the web to strangers.

Your move.

 

[PATS68]

Go watch the Indy game, two long touchdowns given up. In a game that the Pats should have had easily, they let Luck score a TD on THREE PLAYS! McCourty was the defender on both of Luck's long TD passes.

Your right have the game on DVR and watched it the other day. My biggest issue with him is once he has to turn and run he turns into the player that gave up over a 1,000 yards as a DB. On the Brazill TD he got caught flat footed and the WR ran right by him for an easy TD. On the other one he was way too late getting over to help and Dennard and he got beat down the side line.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Ya McCourty sucked in that Indy game..but besides that he was the glue back there...always has been