Could Devin McCourty lose his starting job?

[satz]

There are 2 misconception

One that it was ONLY bedard.Not true the profootball guys andy and paul mentioned this many times that davis is giving fits to DMC and he is a scrap pile WR and worried what he is going to do against a starting caliber guy.
Dowling struggles too against faster smaller guys .This is very worrying.

2nd misconcption he is good at FS...i have no clue where that came from.
One plays 10 yrs as CB and a HOF career beforing moving to safety.I think he was far worst as FS then CB as he was all over the place.

 

[BradyManny]

His reporting skills are good, his analysis is not. I don't know how many more ways there are to express that opinion to you.

Right, but that is just your opinion. What are you basing it off of? I happen to disagree with you. So does Bill O'Brien, our OC gave Bedard props for his work over last year.

 

[Ring 6]

Right, but that is just your opinion. What are you basing it off of? I happen to disagree with you. So does Bill O'Brien, our OC gave Bedard props for his work over last year.

Of course its my opinion, I never offered it as anything else. It is based on what I have observed.
I you want to bring the discussion down to the level of trying to pretend an assistant coach making positive comments about a reporter is proof that the reporter does a good job analyzing and projecting what is going to happen, I'm not interested in that type of discussion.

 

[BradyManny]

Of course its my opinion, I never offered it as anything else. It is based on what I have observed.
I you want to bring the discussion down to the level of trying to pretend an assistant coach making positive comments about a reporter is proof that the reporter does a good job analyzing and projecting what is going to happen, I'm not interested in that type of discussion.

No, it's not proof by any stretch, but I figured you valued Bill O'Brien's opinion more than mine. And you haven't offered up any evidence for your opinion so far, either.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm sorry - I truly did not intend for that last point to be condescending, nor directed at your or this specific situation.

I bolded the part I disagree with most in this post. When has Bedard shown his ability to analyze is shaky? His football knowledge is extremely high, and he goes to great lengths to keep it there. He works at it.

I've pointed it out on a few occasions. He's been no better than people on this board.

 

[BradyManny]

I've pointed it out on a few occasions. He's been no better than people on this board.

Well, there's plenty of knowledgeable football people on this board, so it depends upon which posters we're talking about. Are you saying his success rate is the same as the average poster here? That I wouldn't agree with. If you're comparing him to the best of the board, sure, maybe he's no better.

 

[Rob0729]

There are 2 misconception

One that it was ONLY bedard.Not true the profootball guys andy and paul mentioned this many times that davis is giving fits to DMC and he is a scrap pile WR and worried what he is going to do against a starting caliber guy.
Dowling struggles too against faster smaller guys .This is very worrying.

2nd misconcption he is good at FS...i have no clue where that came from.
One plays 10 yrs as CB and a HOF career beforing moving to safety.I think he was far worst as FS then CB as he was all over the place.

And there are other guys who have given McCourty some good reviews. The point is there is no consensus on the guy. The question is whether the balance is of guys potentially being overly critical because they are looking at him under a microscope or people are being hopeful that he will return to his rookie form and overlooking the bad plays and focusing on the good ones. My guess is both sides do a little of both.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I don't get the constant bumming of Bedard personally, but I also don't understand much of the slating. I like it when reporters out as much as they can into their analysis but what I hate is when fans take these reprter's words as gospel. Remember, there's a reason these people write for blogs and papers and are not coaching in the NFL. They often speak on common hearsay and whisperings from coaches and league officials and often just see a guy getting beat...not understanding the what the play was or the concept of that play. Don't just assume because a guy got beat its all down to his own fault.

Also, cut the Bedard puts the most effort in to his reports BS. Reiss puts in far more and knows far more about what he's talking about IMO.

As for McCourty losing his job, I'm not sure it will happen, but of course it could. The guy had a slump and unless he picks it up, he could find himself drop down the depth chart. No ones job is safe...there aren't many guys who get free passes in this game.

If Ras-I Dowling stays fit, I personally see him becoming our best corner...McCourty will always be a factor but I can't see him losing out to Arrington as I don't rate Arrington on the outside. He's a slot corner for me who will be challenged by Dennard whenever we go to base...which will be rare. Moore was a nice surprise late in the year and I was surprised when the Raiders cut him personally after a very solid preseason....someone was bound to nab him. He has every chance to stay on the roster and I think he will stick, but he's going to have to do an awful lot to steal McCourty's spot.

So Bedard is taking a wild guess...a wild guess which I think most people see as unlikely and a wild guess I don't think will pay off...at the start of the season anyway.

Wasn't it Bedard who said he'd heard McCourty wasn't going to feature at all at corner and be converted to a safety? :bricks:

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

You're telling us that the isolated opinion should be considered just an outlier? Good to know - I'll save that one for the next time you argue some contrarian viewpoint.

That's the fundamental problem with your problem.

The Bedard piece is speculation and extrapolation.

patsfaninpittsburgh states what's obviously obvious from the reality of factual happening. This runs counter intuitive since it's pfip to not draw predetermined conclusions that require unicorn hunting.

 

[Deus Irae]

...Wasn't it Bedard who said he'd heard McCourty wasn't going to feature at all at corner and be converted to a safety? :bricks:

He was reporting that as far back as April.

 

[Ring 6]

No, it's not proof by any stretch, but I figured you valued Bill O'Brien's opinion more than mine. And you haven't offered up any evidence for your opinion so far, either.

I certainly have. My opinion is based upon my observations.
Do you have some instances of excellent insight into what will happen in the future from him?
I also have praised Bedard for his efforts, while I think his insights are weak. Are you telling Bill O'Brien came out and lauded Bedard for reading what he sees in practice and predicting what the team will do? I haven't seen that. Which is what makes your O'Brien reference both disingenous and not applicable.

 

[BradyManny]

I certainly have. My opinion is based upon my observations.
Do you have some instances of excellent insight into what will happen in the future from him?
I also have praised Bedard for his efforts, while I think his insights are weak. Are you telling Bill O'Brien came out and lauded Bedard for reading what he sees in practice and predicting what the team will do? I haven't seen that. Which is what makes your O'Brien reference both disingenous and not applicable.

No, that's not what I'm saying - O'Brien's praise was for Bedard's work during the season. My assumption would be it was in reference to Bedard's analysis - like his weekly grades, because no matter how curious Billy O'Brien is, I doubt he's flipping through the Globe to read the typical beat report stuff.

I'm not saying Bedard can predict the future with better success - I don't think I've said that so far. Just that his analysis is insightful. Whether that translates to predictive ability, I don't know. I think Mayock is a great analyst, too, but he's wrong all the time predicting how these players will work out. It's the nature of the business.

Will Bedard be wrong about McCourty? Hopefully. He was already wrong about him being converted to safety. Doesn't mean his analysis is bad. He can only evaluate what he sees, he can't read the minds of the coaching staff.

 

[Ring 6]

No, that's not what I'm saying - O'Brien's praise was for Bedard's work during the season. My assumption would be it was in reference to Bedard's analysis - like his weekly grades, because no matter how curious Billy O'Brien is, I doubt he's flipping through the Globe to read the typical beat report stuff.

So you are assuming that you know the reason O'Brien praised him when he didn't say why? Do you have a link?

I'm not saying Bedard can predict the future with better success - I don't think I've said that so far. Just that his analysis is insightful. Whether that translates to predictive ability, I don't know.

This makes no sense. You think his analysis is good but don't know if it correct?
I think you are enormously confused between reporting what he sees and analyzing it.
He is very good at reporting what he sees. When he analyzes it and makes statements such as the one about McCourty trying to predict what it means, he is not very good.

I think Mayock is a great analyst, too, but he's wrong all the time predicting how these players will work out. It's the nature of the business.

How can he be a good ANALYST if his analysis is always wrong?

Will Bedard be wrong about McCourty? Hopefully. He was already wrong about him being converted to safety. Doesn't mean his analysis is bad. He can only evaluate what he sees, he can't read the minds of the coaching staff.

But that is exactly the point. He is putting himself in a position where he implies he is insightful to what the coaching staff will do. He is very often wrong when he does so.

 

[BradyManny]

That's the fundamental problem with your problem.

The Bedard piece is speculation and extrapolation.

patsfaninpittsburgh states what's obviously obvious from the reality of factual happening. This runs counter intuitive since it's pfip to not draw predetermined conclusions that require unicorn hunting.

You've shown in the past that you aren't above holding firm to your own predetermined conclusions. When overwhelmed by facts, stats or reason, as you were in several threads this offseason, you resort to insult or just leave.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

So you are assuming that you know the reason O'Brien praised him when he didn't say why? Do you have a link?


This makes no sense. You think his analysis is good but don't know if it correct?
I think you are enormously confused between reporting what he sees and analyzing it.
He is very good at reporting what he sees. When he analyzes it and makes statements such as the one about McCourty trying to predict what it means, he is not very good.



How can he be a good ANALYST if his analysis is always wrong?


But that is exactly the point. He is putting himself in a position where he implies he is insightful to what the coaching staff will do. He is very often wrong when he does so.

One good thing about you is that you have zero problem doubling down on obtuse.

Very instructive for other members.

Can Mayock be good and wrong often? Does someone suck as a hitter because the batting average is .350? They don't hit .650 afterall.

Bedard is in realm for his opinions. It should be noted. However, other respected opinions are at odds with it. They should be noted.

What's happening here is one opinion gets elevated because certain marginal elements are hearing what they think they know and want to hear.

Bedard isn't the problem. People listening to one opinion (that's at odds with other opinions) and defaulting it as fact is the problem.

Week One will roll around and the opponent will complete a few passes down 4 TD's and the pointy hat wearer types will be out in force...most likely siting Bedard's camp reports as evidence.

 

[BradyManny]

So you are assuming that you know the reason O'Brien praised him when he didn't say why? Do you have a link?

Yes, I admit it's an assumption.

He is very good at reporting what he sees. When he analyzes it and makes statements such as the one about McCourty trying to predict what it means, he is not very good.

If he says McCourty is struggling in camp, then I believe him that he is struggling. His ability to evaluate play is among the best of the local guys.

Is he going to be right about Moore surpassing him? Probably not. Do I care? Not really.

How can he be a good ANALYST if his analysis is always wrong?

In the case of Mayock, he isn't in the business of prognostication. He evaluates players based on the tape he watches. Whether or not that player turns into a good pro is not his responsibility, nor can his analysis be tied to it. There's too many variables involved. You can't hold a draftnik responsible for what an athlete does in a given system, coached by certain coaches, surrounded by 52 other players. We hardly even hold the coaches responsible for it. I

Is Bill Belichick an idiot because Shawn Crable turned out to be incapable of doing anything at a pro level? Was Bill a fool for thinking Chad Jackson would be an elite NFL WR? Was Bill stupid for thinking Darius Butler projected as a #1 corner? No, no, no. He made an evaluation based on what he had seen. In each of these specific cases, the player themselves played a large role in making sure that Belichick's prediction of success for each did not come to pass. It doesn't mean Bill's evaluation was worthless.

In the case of Bedard, I don't know if his speculation will be right - and I never even weighed in on this thread, merely came in here to defend him since his track record of providing football analysis has been good. Whether that gives him predictive prowess, I don't know, or care. All these predictions mean little. It's part of their job description, but I guess I don't take it that part too seriously.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

You've shown in the past that you aren't above holding firm to your own predetermined conclusions. When overwhelmed by facts, stats or reason, as you were in several threads this offseason, you resort to insult or just leave.

Considering pfip has never been "overwhelmed" by facts, I'd assume you've been conversing with the tooth fairy amongst the unicorn herd to think that happened.

Ignorant people will automatically cling to one, "at odds with other" opinion if it suits their pre-conceived notion.

Quit trying to defend and deflect this concept. Nobody wants to steal your thought process.

 

[BradyManny]

Considering pfip has never been "overwhelmed" by facts, I'd assume you've been conversing with the tooth fairy amongst the unicorn herd to think that happened.

Ignorant people will automatically cling to one, "at odds with other" opinion if it suits their pre-conceived notion.

Quit trying to defend and deflect this concept. Nobody wants to steal your thought process.

This post is unintelligible. And I beg you to stop referring to yourself in the third person, especially the abbreviated version.

 

[borg]

This post is unintelligible. And I beg you to stop referring to yourself in the third person, especially the abbreviated version.

Borg agrees the 3rd person reference is an act of megalamania. Borg out.

 

[Deus Irae]

...If he says McCourty is struggling in camp, then I believe him that he is struggling. His ability to evaluate play is among the best of the local guys...

I'd say that his ability to evaluate play is basically the same as everyone else. There's nobody evaluating play that stands out. There are many people here who's reports on training camp play have proven to be at least as accurate as any local reporters.