Welllll... the "obvious" read is that unlike number of cases, number of dead is fairly tied to the actual spread of the virus... so ultimately, this number is what it is, the number of deaths growing exponentially. There might be some divergence as you get spread through an older population or something, say, if the big increase in cases were all happening in a state that skews older. But we can't see the actual case increase - it is only the sum of the reported increase and some number of unreported increase. "Reported" is proportionately greater to the extent that we are testing... we've started, but we're a long way from capturing the lion's share of cases.
So short answer: it just is what it is. More people are dying of it. It means, probably, that more people caught it a certain length of time ago, incubated it (while shedding virus), became symptomatic, "fought" it, and died.
The only comforting part is that it could be explained 100% by virus spread; there's no evidence that it's becoming "more fatal."
Hey anyway, shouldn't he be posting on a Tampa site?
I agree. I rely solely on an amateur rapper and a day trader's podcast for my news. I only quote reputable sources because the MSM controls so many other people.
Tell me what "the MSM narrative" is. You know, expose it for what it really is, you firebrand you.
Thank you for getting what socialism is, which people rarely get here. We use it here as a shorthand for social programs. The shorthand we hear is "more socialism" or "less socialism." In American parlance, & therefore on Patsfans, we refer to progressive taxation as "socialism." Adam Smith, America's first Socialist, right?
Prime's right - you know you're getting a socialist feature in society, in modern parlance, when the state takes over a company. I say that to distinguish our modern idea of socialism from models that aren't statist. And who's nationalizing the means of production? DJT is now announcing various plans to nationalize companies, which cracks me up in terms of his far right base.
I never got the argument that the Nazis really were actual socialists. They weren't, but to be fair they did nationalize industries. Nationalists apparently aren't shy about this either.
All that said, whichever ism goes with whichever program, and we'll fight about this until the cows come home, I am wondering why TF no pudgy old men are out in the streets calling on us all to "teabag" the white house. Maybe because that would put their lives at risk, one of those perils that the patriots who started this country embraced... but which might be a little extreme for purposes of screaming about the constitution.
Still, you'd think the people who think the 2nd amendment means they can own an F-16 would be more concerned about the presently disappearing right to assemble.
Weird. I think we DO have to shelter in place, but the constitutional breach of all these curbs to assembly is not being noticed. Huh.
Population-wide, right on. Here and there you find free thinkers (more among the young) who can weigh different systems for what they are, without spazzing out and screaming about China (when people talk Sweden).
I wonder if this is one of the things that Lurker tries to deprogram himself about by watching youtube videos to get his news.
I mean, you can say it's "right" to be anti-socialist. That's fine, that's an opinion. What you can't say is that it's the only way to think about it - but our culture is close to unanimous on the subject.
FYI: I too have problems with any given individual's concept of democratic socialism (e.g., Bernieism). I do see in myself, however, exactly this cultural bias.
But what's hilarious is that Trump is at present light years past Bernie when it comes to calls for state control over industries. Mr. "America will never be a Socialist country."
I guess this sentiment is SO "dog bites man" that he had to figure out a way, however improbable, to be lying about it.
Ideology aside, I think there might be something in him that actually delights in the idea that there's no solid ground, and that reality is what he decides it is for that show.
That's the whole idea behind the "flatten the curve" effort. More has to be mandatory, and I'm gratified to see so many dense population centers going to full lock-downs.
Disagree about 100% saturation, I want that hope of the roughly 50-50 (& thereabouts) predictions for selfish reasons. You could really just put out the lights on my wife, write her name in the Big Virus Book, and be done with it, if it's 100% infection.
She's in hospice to begin with, & one of her biggest things is "never put me on a vent." Well frankly she's sick enough that no hospital would put her on one, even if she were to revoke her hospice agreement (which pretty much says comfort care only, thanks.) You either get curative care or hospice, that's how they do.
So I guess in theory she could get a mild case, but if it's not mild, game over man. I just keep telling her she's earned a death of her own, not a footnote death where they put the day's bodies out in the pool that night and light em up. Sorry that was a bit much. But you guys know what I mean.
ok that's all I got
