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I'm curious how you arrived at the conclusion he won't be a starter.
Actually That was probably an over reaction to my OVERreaction. I was actually hoping that the kid we signed from the CFL was going to get the job with some competition from the 3rd or 4th round. I felt the need on the DL and CB trumped any immediate OL issues early in the draft. With the Clemson CB and Michigan S/CB still on the board I thought they'd be sure bets. I'm still stunned a day later. Especially after finding out he's already 24. He's better be great because there is very little room for upside.
 
So, it's coming into perspective that this isn't such a reach after all, that another team confirmed that waiting till 54 would have been risky, that he had a 2nd round grade. What a shock.
 
I am far away from being excited but let the kid chance to prove his value.
I remember two years ago discussion about Dugger's pick and a common surprise. Today we have got a very valuable player. I hope Strange will follow that way as well.
I recall people being excited about Duggar in here.
 
Damn at least get his name right. He's probably the nice lad giving you coffee at the Dunkin' drive through. It's Jordan Richards, not Jefferson.
Since Jordan Richards has had an eight-year (and counting) career in the NFL, I highly doubt he's working at Dunkin.
 
Looks like he was an LB/DE in HS. Maybe BB thinks he can also play DT in an emergency...

 
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He's right.
Ban all opinions then guys, wrap it up, lock the draft thread, we aren't paid professionals so no thoughts or opinions should be discussed. Close the forum til September. And even then I don't want to see anyone criticizing NKeal Harry's hands because he knows how to play WR better than any of us do.

Dumb ass take
 
Fair enough. I was trying to frame my argument around the premise that having a 1st round player stick around beyond the rookie contract is a more successful draft pick for the team, vs controlling him for only 4-5 years and losing him to free agency or trading him (whatever the reasoning). Perhaps failure is the wrong word. Personally, I look at 1st round picks as potential franchise cornerstone players, and when they don't stick around, I look at it as a failure (failure to pick the correct player, failure to develop, failure to retain).

We did get Gilmore via free agency, and he was not a 'failure' for the Bills, but they did fail to retain him, and we benefited from that (perhaps not signing Jones allowed BB to sign him?).
Exactly. Gilmore was a great draft pick considering his career path. He went on to four additional pro bowls and 2 all pro selections after leaving Buffalo. It was the Bills ineptitude to retain him that we benefitted from. Gilmore stands as one of BB's best free agent acquisitions as Patriots GM.
 
Watched his press conference. He’s a very likeable southern boy - “yes, sir”, “no sir,” etc,
 
That wasn’t a trade, you just made that up.
What I wrote is exactly what happened. The Patriots traded Mason for a 6th rounder plus they gained cap space. They spent #29 on Strange. So the net result is:

Patriots Spend: Mason + #29 pick in draft
Patriots Receive: Strange + 6th rounder + minimal cap savings

Unfortunately, I am not making any of that up. Believe me, I wish I was.
 
What I wrote is exactly what happened. The Patriots traded Mason for a 6th rounder plus they gained cap space. They spent #29 on Strange. So the net result is:

Patriots Spend: Mason + #29 pick in draft
Patriots Receive: Strange + 6th rounder + minimal cap savings

Unfortunately, I am not making any of that up. Believe me, I wish I was.
5th rd. pick
 
So, it's coming into perspective that this isn't such a reach after all, that another team confirmed that waiting till 54 would have been risky, that he had a 2nd round grade. What a shock.
Yes teams are just so honest when describing their draft boards......
 
So this guy STRANGE is Logan Mankins?

Do you think he would be gone before our 2nd round pick????

I believe STRANGE would be there in the 2nd, so that’s why I call it a dumb pick.

He is a GRUNT…. Talent goes in the 1st round & Grunts go in the third.
EXACTLY what was said when he drafted Mankins.
 
What I wrote is exactly what happened. The Patriots traded Mason for a 6th rounder plus they gained cap space. They spent #29 on Strange. So the net result is:

Patriots Spend: Mason + #29 pick in draft
Patriots Receive: Strange + 6th rounder + minimal cap savings

Unfortunately, I am not making any of that up. Believe me, I wish I was.
They saved $7min cap space trading Shaq
 
I leave the revisionist history BS to you. It's FACT that Mankins was ranked as a late 2nd/early 3rd pick. It's also fact that the Board reacted nearly identically. People claiming that BB didn't know wtf he was doing. People claiming that Mankins would have been there for the Pats 2nd round pick. That BB reached. I remember it vividly.. Because many of the same people who were b**ching then are doing it now.

BTW, everything I said about the SB that ended the chance at perfection was factual as well. Don't like it, you know where the door is..
The only difference was in degree, because the yahoos need to outdo themselves year on year.
 
Not a fair question. Why don’t you ask the reigning Super Bowl champions the same question. They’re the ones with the staff that do this for a living.
They're also the ones who drafted Jared Goff number one and traded a first (became Derrick Henry), two 2ds and two 3rds to do it.
 
Only an idiot would support picking a guy in the first round who would most likely be available when you pick in the second round.

Then again, you probably still have your Jordan Richards Pom poms
You mean Jordan '8 year career in the NFL' and counting Richards? Somehow the Ravens liked him enough to have him on their team the last 3 years, but we all know what idiots they are.
 
I text with @midwestpatsfan from time to time and he had this to say. Mike is a good dude that knows what he's talking about and isn't afraid to have an opinion.


It's possible I'm too low on Strange, I had a 3rd on him. Tough to argue against Bill and his resume they obviously felt Strange was a top 25-30 prospect and stuck to their boards.

Remember we picked Geneo Grissom before Flowers and Mason so it's about the collective in the end but I get the frustration. A ton of good prospects on the board though, a lot. I suspect we trade up in the 2nd and get a prospect everyone will love
I agree with you and your friend BCG. Don't allow people to bully you off a valid opinion derived from studying hundreds of prospects over the years. As far as I can tell you put a lot more hours into your scouting than any of the other forum posters.

The key to the gut reaction that this is a bad pick is the value is not there, it's as your friend put it, the opportunity cost. The Patriots had the opportunity to take the best remaining of premium positions and instead took a guard in the first, a position that is very fungible, and just how much difference will there be between the 2nd best guard of this class and the 4th or 6th best guard? Probably not a lot.

Meanwhile as the analyst and media reactions also point out, the Patriots could have taken a more premium position such as edge, corner, or even linebacker. Not only that despite what BB insisted in his press conference, to save face no doubt, many draft odds calculated that strange had a 93% chance of lasting until pick 54. If the Pats had gotten antsy on day 2 they could have easily moved up a few spots to ensure getting 'their guy' strange in round 2 while securing the premium asset in round 1.

The other thing we can't ignore is that the 'need for a guard' was a self-inflicted wound created by Belichick the GM. We had an all-pro guard locked up for the next 2 years for at least 2022/2023 and could have easily just held onto him and let him walk in free agency. Instead we flipped him for a 5th round pick, and then compounded the wound by fixing it with a 1st round selection of an interior lineman, passing over other more premium needs such as cornerback, edge, linebacker, etc.

Just look at who was taken immediately after the Strange pick - George Karliftis Edge, Daxton Hill DB, and Lewis Cine DB. Those 3 picks and all the players taken before the Patriots take their 2nd player on Day 2 will be compared to Strange as the cost of taking a guard in round 1. OOF.

The other problem is that 2021 draft aside, BB has pulled this crap before, and has lost the, oh we'll give him the benefit of a doubt. There have been too many 1st and 2nd round busts who were reaches that elicit a bad reaction from BB on draft day. It feels like oh, why was he the good GM in 2021, but the arrogant reacher every other draft? I suspect it might come down to the person stacking the draft board. In 2021, the Patriots employed, Dave Ziegler. He has since left to join McDaniels with the Raiders. Before 2021, it was Nick Caserio who was DOP. Was this the main difference in the 2021 draft and all the other BB drafts?

As for Day 2, the Patriots have plenty of picks to maneuver. And they might yet find a 'Barmore' level prospect who helps us forget that Strange was a bad reach. But it doesn't change the fact that round 1 was a wasted opportunity, and BB was properly roasted for overreaching by the media and the draft analysts.

 
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