Coaching Them Up For A Month Or Two

[mgteich]

Very Few thought that the OL would be anywhere near functional to start the season.

Didn't most of us expect it to take until mid-season (Game 9)? Game 5 would have been considered hugely optimistic.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaching staff can have Okorafor ready to be a marginally competent LT, with Wallace as a RT and Love or Jacobs as a swing backup.

Is that wildly possible after 8 games? Scar believes in the OL coaching staff. Perhaps, we should also.

 

[Clonamery]

Very Few thought that the OL would be anywhere near functional to start the season.

Didn't most of us expect it to take until mid-season (Game 9)? Game 5 would have been considered hugely optimistic.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaching staff can have Okorafor ready to be a marginally competent LT, with Wallace as a RT and Love or Jacobs as a swing backup.

Is that wildly possible after 8 games? Scar believes in the OL coaching staff. Perhaps, we should also.

Maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't.

 

[Pape]

I am counting on the Pats being able to coach up not only the starters, but the OL depth as well...

The depth of the line will be tested this year... Cole Strange, the guy who should be starting in the LG spot is out... Out of all the position coaches, you know Scott Peters is going to earn his pay check week in week out...

Both Sidy Sow (Achilles injury) and Vederain Lowe (groin) are both banged up going into week 1...

I am hoping that the line can solidify into a halfway decent unit... I t will be difficult if the pieces keep shifting, but, thats football... can only play the guys on the roster...

 

[Clonamery]

I am counting on the Pats being able to coach up not only the starters, but the OL depth as well...

The depth of the line will be tested this year... Cole Strange, the guy who should be starting in the LG spot is out... Out of all the position coaches, you know Scott Peters is going to earn his pay check week in week out...

Both Sidy Sow (Achilles injury) and Vederain Lowe (groin) are both banged up going into week 1...

I am hoping that the line can solidify into a halfway decent unit... I t will be difficult if the pieces keep shifting, but, thats football... can only play the guys on the roster...

Questions.

Why haven't they been coaching up the players from the get go?
And if they have been coaching them up all along, are they coaching them up in overdrive now?
How bad were these players if the coaches have been coaching them up all along?
What do coaches do if they aren't coaching players up?
Is there a point where coaching has no effect on the player?
After mistakes in the game, do players take a lap after the game? And if not, why not?
Also, is it true that Taylor Swift hasn't put out an album in 5 months? Is she over?

 

[Pape]

Questions.

Why haven't they been coaching up the players from the get go?
And if they have been coaching them up all along, are they coaching them up in overdrive now?
How bad were these players if the coaches have been coaching them up all along?
What do coaches do if they aren't coaching players up?
Is there a point where coaching has no effect on the player?
After mistakes in the game, do players take a lap after the game? And if not, why not?
Also, is it true that Taylor Swift hasn't put out an album in 5 months? Is she over?

Lol.
Okay... *Deep breath*...

They have been coaching up the players...

overdrive ? Nah. Game speed will add a new dimension for player reference/ film due to the very limited number of padded practices.

Id rate the line as a D going into the season. Reason being new coach, new scheme.

Drink coffee, blow whistles, act like the know **** they really don't know (if my coaches could do it, so can they)

Take a lap? Id make em run hills. One set for every ol penalty.

Does it look like she's over?

 

[signbabybrady]

Questions.

Why haven't they been coaching up the players from the get go?
And if they have been coaching them up all along, are they coaching them up in overdrive now?
How bad were these players if the coaches have been coaching them up all along?
What do coaches do if they aren't coaching players up?
Is there a point where coaching has no effect on the player?
After mistakes in the game, do players take a lap after the game? And if not, why not?
Also, is it true that Taylor Swift hasn't put out an album in 5 months? Is she over?

They've been working on it. The results were getting a little better as camp went along. As an example I think Wallace and Robinson have looked better than the first few days of camp.

The real problems on this line are that neither Wallace or Chucks looked very good from the left and they settled in on Lowe. Then Lowe and Sow got hurt and whatever small improvements the line made disappeared as everyone got shifted around.

And now we replaced some of the depth with Waivers and new PS guys. So this will require some serious coaching and a little bit of luck with health to get something in even relatively close to starting caliber.

 

[Ring 6]

Very Few thought that the OL would be anywhere near functional to start the season.

Didn't most of us expect it to take until mid-season (Game 9)? Game 5 would have been considered hugely optimistic.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaching staff can have Okorafor ready to be a marginally competent LT, with Wallace as a RT and Love or Jacobs as a swing backup.

Is that wildly possible after 8 games? Scar believes in the OL coaching staff. Perhaps, we should also.

Wait. You are telling me that it is acceptable for a professional organization, one with a pick at the top of every round in the draft, and $100,000,000 to spend on players, to be EXPECTED to not be able to field an offensive line that is ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL to start the season and you EXPECT it to have a goal of mid season before it is ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FUNCTIONAL and ding their job 5 weeks late is optimistic?

What in the ever living F$@k are they doing?
How can this possibly be a reasonable take? What franchise willingly gives up half their season because they EXPECT that they can’t figure out how to put ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL professional players on the field?

 

[PatsFan2]

Very Few thought that the OL would be anywhere near functional to start the season.

Didn't most of us expect it to take until mid-season (Game 9)? Game 5 would have been considered hugely optimistic.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaching staff can have Okorafor ready to be a marginally competent LT, with Wallace as a RT and Love or Jacobs as a swing backup.

Is that wildly possible after 8 games? Scar believes in the OL coaching staff. Perhaps, we should also.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Pending a big run of long-term injuries, I think they have the pieces in place to get quality play on the interior and passable play at RT. I don't think they're going to be able to solve LT this year, but I don't think it should be a total trainwreck just because of that one spot. Obviously it's going to be a weakness in an offense that's also weak at other spots but I don't think it's going to be so bad that they can't complete a pass or get a good look at any skill player the whole year like some project.

 

[upstater1]

Very Few thought that the OL would be anywhere near functional to start the season.

Didn't most of us expect it to take until mid-season (Game 9)? Game 5 would have been considered hugely optimistic.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, the coaching staff can have Okorafor ready to be a marginally competent LT, with Wallace as a RT and Love or Jacobs as a swing backup.

Is that wildly possible after 8 games? Scar believes in the OL coaching staff. Perhaps, we should also.

Put a QB behind there that defenses are scared of and the OL improves 100% overnight.

We just need Maye to know the offense inside and out before he goes out there.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I think a reasonable goal would be to have 4/5 starting spots solidified by seasons end. 3/5 appears already in good shape on the interior and hopefully at least one more comes through for us. wallace at rt that would leave onwenu at rg and hed be much cheaper than chuks if we need to extend him.

LT theres a couple good options next year projected around/ in the top 10. Whatever depth pieces are needed you can address via FA. Theres some tempting options at edge in the draft which will also be a top need but i think you need to focus on getting mayes backside secured.

 

[mgteich]

Wait. You are telling me that it is acceptable for a professional organization, one with a pick at the top of every round in the draft, and $100,000,000 to spend on players, to be EXPECTED to not be able to field an offensive line that is ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL to start the season and you EXPECT it to have a goal of mid season before it is ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FUNCTIONAL and ding their job 5 weeks late is optimistic?

What in the ever living F$@k are they doing?
How can this possibly be a reasonable take? What franchise willingly gives up half their season because they EXPECT that they can’t figure out how to put ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL professional players on the field?

Consistency would be impressive by you.

The issue that I have with the off-season is that they didn't sign a couple of top defensive players, using a significant portion of our remaining $40M.

We all understand the situation with regard to LT. And, yes, we can continue to say we could have signed yet another of the very few available quality LT's or we could have drafted our choice of player, reaching a half a round. All that is nothing new.

 

[Ring 6]

Consistency would be impressive by you.

The issue that I have with the off-season is that they didn't sign a couple of top defensive players, using a significant portion of our remaining $40M.

We all understand the situation with regard to LT. And, yes, we can continue to say we could have signed yet another of the very few available quality LT's or we could have drafted our choice of player, reaching a half a round. All that is nothing new.

I am totally consistent.

You think we shouldn’t expect to have an OL that is any where near functional. Those are your words. We had a full draft and $100,000,000 and you expect we shouldn’t be able to do the most basic thing a football team must do?

If the consequence was an OL that is not anywhere near functional they should have used draft picks, signed free agents, made trades, done whatever was necessary.

You aren’t saying LT is an issue you are saying you dint expect thr OL to be ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL. Functional means capable of running basic plays. Knowing who to block and not flat out sucking at it. M
You are saying you don’t expect us to be able to run an offense for half the season. If that’s the case what in the world is this organization thinking? It’s not rocket science. All 31 other teams will have a functional OL. Why did the team with 100,000,000 and high draft slots become the only one it’s impossible for?

 

[Clonamery]

I am totally consistent.

You think we shouldn’t expect to have an OL that is any where near functional. Those are your words. We had a full draft and $100,000,000 and you expect we shouldn’t be able to do the most basic thing a football team must do?

If the consequence was an OL that is not anywhere near functional they should have used draft picks, signed free agents, made trades, done whatever was necessary.

You aren’t saying LT is an issue you are saying you dint expect thr OL to be ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL. Functional means capable of running basic plays. Knowing who to block and not flat out sucking at it. M
You are saying you don’t expect us to be able to run an offense for half the season. If that’s the case what in the world is this organization thinking? It’s not rocket science. All 31 other teams will have a functional OL. Why did the team with 100,000,000 and high draft slots become the only one it’s impossible for?

Like, totally omg.

 

[Ring 6]

Put a QB behind there that defenses are scared of and the OL improves 100% overnight.

We just need Maye to know the offense inside and out before he goes out there.

How can he not know it well enough yet?
He need rudimentary understanding of the run plays that he would have had a week into camp.
He needs to understand the routes and his progressions on maybe 30 pass plays.
If he doesn’t know the terminology yet and can’t grasp the above, he may be a dummy.

 

[mgteich]

I am totally consistent.

You think we shouldn’t expect to have an OL that is any where near functional. Those are your words. We had a full draft and $100,000,000 and you expect we shouldn’t be able to do the most basic thing a football team must do?

If the consequence was an OL that is not anywhere near functional they should have used draft picks, signed free agents, made trades, done whatever was necessary.

You aren’t saying LT is an issue you are saying you dint expect thr OL to be ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL. Functional means capable of running basic plays. Knowing who to block and not flat out sucking at it. M
You are saying you don’t expect us to be able to run an offense for half the season. If that’s the case what in the world is this organization thinking? It’s not rocket science. All 31 other teams will have a functional OL. Why did the team with 100,000,000 and high draft slots become the only one it’s impossible for?

Yup, if they found out in camp that the OL hadn't developed as they hoped, they should have gone back to January and signed someone else and into the draft and drafted someone else.

The OL is nowhere near functional if Lowe is the starting LT and he is injured. Okorafor/Anderson/Lowe/Wallace was the plan at OT. If none can do the job, this affects the effectiveness of the entire OL.

 

[Ring 6]

Yup, if they found out in camp that the OL hadn't developed as they hoped, they should have gone back to January and signed someone else and into the draft and drafted someone else.

The OL is nowhere near functional if Lowe is the starting LT and he is injured. Okorafor/Anderson/Lowe/Wallace was the plan at OT. If none can do the job, this affects the effectiveness of the entire OL.

Is it not their job to make sure they have an OL?
Are you seriously telling me they should have been confident that they fad a great plan at T?

Okorafor was benched for sucking in pitt
Anderson was recovering from malaria and heart issues
Lowe stinks
Wallace never played LT on his life.


It’s like your arguing they made a whole bunch of bad decisions so that excuses them.

My point remains how is it anything but abject negligence by the front office and cus hung staff to walk into a season with the OL not even hoping to be ANYWHERE NEAR FUNCTIONAL.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I am frustrated by how bad the OL is and how it wasn't really upgraded other than with prospects / projects

But I would also add that ANY TIME you totally change a scheme, coaches, and coaching philosophies there will be a lag period where the players are playing catch up. It takes time to gel when you have a new head coach, new OC, DC, etc.

So this rough patch, while rougher than it needed to be, was going to be a rough patch even if there was more of a talent upgrade. Especially OL, where it relies on cohesion, recognition, and instincts to follow the system.

I'm not saying it's great that out OL sucks. It was a personnel failing. I'm saying that it was bound to be rough to start, whether the coaching is good or not.

 

[stinkypete]

I think it is entirely unrealistic to expect that anyone emerges as a LT. We can be hopeful about Lowe or Wallace or the kid we just claimed from Green Bay - but these would be total shots in the dark. The probability overwhelmingly points to LT being a black hole.

It is realistic to hope we have a competent LG-C-RG-RT by midseason. I would consider this a major accomplishment and reason for legitimate optimism for 2025.

My best case scenario is that Wallace emerges as a servicable RT, allowing us to move Ownenu to his natural position. This would set us up to have a line that is not only servicable, but strong if we can add an impact vet or top 5 pick next year.

 

[rkarp1]

I do believe we were seeing improvement with Lowe, Sow, Robinson and Wallace.
Onwenu has made some mistakes, but has been very solid
We haven't seen much on Andrews
when healthy and with a few games under their belts, I expect this OL to be playing very well.