Chiefs now vs. us then, is it the same?

[Vindicate]

Why are we crapping on the Chiefs' accomplishments? Oh, right, insecurity. It's time to get over it.

The league is watered down? There have been 32 teams in the NFL since 2002.

Mahomes doesn't have a Manning to compete against? Josh Allen is pretty close, and the trio of Allen, Jackson and Burrow is a hell of a QB gauntlet to run into every postseason.

There are no great teams to compete against? This Eagles team is stacked with talent, as was the 2022 edition.

None of this is to say that Mahomes is Brady, or that this Chiefs dynasty has surpassed ours, but the discounting of the greatness in front of us makes us look foolish. Just two years ago people on this board were arguing that Payton Manning is a borderline top 10 QB at best. Now that we feel threatened by Mahomes, we acknowledge Manning as some insurmountable beast that only hunky Tom could best? This is New England - we're smarter than this.

Hate the Chiefs if you must, but don't act like we're not witnessing something historic.

We'll always have Brady's 2 - 0 playoff record against Mahomes.

This is sports. 99% of it is illogical hate and competitive insecurity. **** the Chiefs and **** their dumbass accomplishments, they're trash in the hulking behemoth of a shadow that is the New England Patriots, 2001 - 2019.

 

[sb1]

Brady won the AFCGG against the Chiefs with a 77 rating compared to Mahomes 117. Rating may be the stupidest way to compare quarterbacks ever devised.

I just thought it was funny people still talk about Brady stats getting his first SB MVP. Mahomes stats were arguably worse against a worse team when he got his first. Personally I think Ty Law should have gotten the MVP for SB36 even if their defense got roasted in the 4th quarter and Warner set a SB passing record at the time. Vinatieri might have had an argument but not for 2 FG's. Maybe if he kicked 4 or something...

 

[sb1]

Historically, really good/great quarterbacks have done pretty ok with whatever coach. Manning with Kubiak and Fox, Brady with Ariens, Young with Seifert, Brees to the Saints, Elway with Shanahan...

I'm sure it has happened but I can't really think of a great quarterback that flopped because of a coaching change. I suppose Cowboy fans might say Aikman.

Not sure I'd call him great but David Carr was never the same after he left the Texans. To be fair I think that's a textbook example of how a bad OL can ruin a young QB.

 

[203Pat]

This Chiefs team is us in 2018. Not the best version of Reid and Mahomes but they find ways to win.

 

[reesebobby]

Not sure I'd call him great but David Carr was never the same after he left the Texans. To be fair I think that's a textbook example of how a bad OL can ruin a young QB.

There's definitely some quarterbacks that you could ask what might have been. Deshaun Watson for example.

 

[upstater1]

Historically, really good/great quarterbacks have done pretty ok with whatever coach. Manning with Kubiak and Fox, Brady with Ariens, Young with Seifert, Brees to the Saints, Elway with Shanahan...

I'm sure it has happened but I can't really think of a great quarterback that flopped because of a coaching change. I suppose Cowboy fans might say Aikman.

Good point on Manning and Brady -- not the Young, Brees and Elway part though. Those 3 excelled AFTER their marriage to their top coaches, not before.

Manning and Brady had a supreme knowledge of their offenses and they managed to carry it over. AND both of them did not do very well when they first came under the new coach's supervision. It wasn't until both of them took over the reins and insisted that the offense bend to their strengths that they did so well. Steve Young didn't start until Seifert's 3rd or the year as a HC. I think Montana is a better example for you.

How about, Roethlisberger under Tomlin? Not as good maybe.

We'll see anyway. Reid is an offensive genius who still calls plays. KC is going to have a big deficit when they lose him.