DRAFT Chad Ryland - Round 4 - 112th overall

[Wozzy]

You're implying GB was going to take Ryland in the 4th round. You have confirmation of that? Or you're just making things up to protect BB?

GB also took a K at the end of the 6th round. Which is fine. Ryland is not worth trading up for in the 4th round.

I’m not implying anything. I’m stating an unequivocal fact. Kickers score points, they protect field position. Kickers are important.

Once you find a good one you could go a decade or so before you draft another. When you lack one, a single season’s results can hinge on your ability to score points. You believe that magical QB’s and fantasy football skill positions are all that matter.. It’s a bad take.

So media rankings and team executive rankings are nowhere close to being similar? Is that your argument? I mean you say you have no clue where team executives actually rank prospects. So I don't see how you jumped to your conclusion.

No, they’re not close.

Mel Kiper had Malik Willis as the top QB on his board last season, I’d bet my azz New England and many other teams didn’t even have him on their board.

This draft Tennessee drafted another QB in the second round, clearly Willis never should have been on theirs. That kid was an UDFA prospect at best, the media pushed him up in the minds of the susceptible.

No **** Wozzy. But QB, WR, TE, RB, OL, DL, LB, DB are all more important. Sorry but trading up for a K in the 4th round is dumb. Or as someone else astutely pointed out... Belichick panicked.

More important? To a team that desperately needs a kicker they are very important. To a team that has an established kicker they’re less important. Kickers aren’t important… right up to the point you need someone to connect on a 40 yard field goal with seconds left on the clock in the playoffs and your season is on the line… then they’re the most important player on your entire roster.

The topic is the 4th round selection of Ryland. WTF do you think I'm talking about? And the fool here is you if you think this was a brilliant move by BB. Could have had Ryland or another similar K prospect in a later round.

Again…. fantasy football is not real football. Only a fool suggests it is. Adam Vinitieri had a large hand kicking off the Patriot dynasty. You have no clue where another team may have taken Ryland… none. Yet you keep pretending you do.

 

[50-yard-line]

You're implying GB was going to take Ryland in the 4th round. You have confirmation of that? Or you're just making things up to protect BB?

Do you even realize how ridiculous this is? Asking seriously. Take a step back. "Protect BB"? If the Pats dumped BB, half the league would line up begging him to come over.

GB also took a K at the end of the 6th round. Which is fine. Ryland is not worth trading up for in the 4th round.

The pick they used in the fourth was a pick they gained (well, 3 slots down) in the 1st round trade. So, balancing out the draft, they got Ryland for a 6th.
Also, the reason(s) Green Bay didn't draft a kicker until the 6th might be that the other two teams actively hunting for a kicker were off the board after the Ryland pick. Or perhaps, Green Bay had Ryland higher (like many) with the drop-off thereafter into a pool of 5 or 6 kickers who they had graded similarly. You don't know.

So media rankings and team executive rankings are nowhere close to being similar? Is that your argument? I mean you say you have no clue where team executives actually rank prospects. So I don't see how you jumped to your conclusion.


No **** Wozzy. But QB, WR, TE, RB, OL, DL, LB, DB are all more important. Sorry but trading up for a K in the 4th round is dumb. Or as someone else astutely pointed out... Belichick panicked.

Who? This is the stuff that makes me constantly shake my head, particularly when people "grade" a draft. "They got a lot for their quarterback" is the standard line for almost every receiver drafted, and it's just silly. Did the Pats "get a lot of help for their QB" with the picks of Boutte and Douglas? We can all hope so, but the odds are way against any help THIS YEAR, and strongly against any real "help" ever, since help would be upgrade not addition. Denver has 12 WRs on their squad! Wow! How is any Defense going to scheme against a 12 WIDE RECEIVER set???????

The Pats have actually upgraded their receiving corps on paper this year with Juju, Gesicki, and Robinson. Next year and the year after, they have money - lots of it. If there are top-end WRs floating around, they can go get them (unlike this year, where Juju was likely the best WR in FA.

In this year's WR draft class, very few people were pegging any but the top 3-5 guys as anything special, and even those 3 weren't really graded as top-end guys.

The topic is the 4th round selection of Ryland. WTF do you think I'm talking about? And the fool here is you if you think this was a brilliant move by BB. Could have had Ryland or another similar K prospect in a later round.

I think it was a necessary move to get a kicker and a punter. I like Ryland because he hits the ball a mile high. You look at his kickoffs and half the MD team is inside the 25-yard line when the ball lands (and most of his sub-40 yard field goals go over the net). Still, he's clearly a crap shoot, like everyone else in the draft.

As for "brilliant," you're the only one saying that, and you have to say it to keep your hackles up in your IBWT/BBSucks battleground that is, quite plainly, embarrassing for you.

 

[Ring 6]

The topic is the 4th round selection of Ryland. WTF do you think I'm talking about? And the fool here is you if you think this was a brilliant move by BB. Could have had Ryland or another similar K prospect in a later round.

You have no way of knowing if he would have been available later, not a clue.
He got the kicker he wanted.
Do you want to show me where I called it a brilliant move?
It a routine draft move, he took a guy in round 4 to fill a need, and got his 1st (or 2nd) choice. Nothing out of the ordinary and we will see how good the evaluation was.

 

[crawhammer]

Whoa, that's a strong statement from someone who pollutes this board with wild statements with no backing whatsoever.

Really? Like what? Bring up something specific and we can discuss it. Otherwise you're just full of ****.

You disagree with me, then fine, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not everyone has the same point of view. But you're calling me lazy which is garbage. I don't pull my opinions out of my ass or rely on something nebulous like IBWT (which is half the board). I backup my opinions with as many examples, numbers, stats, and data as anyone. If you don't think so then you're not paying attention.

"No backing whatsoever"?? That's a ridiculous statement. Again, bring up something specific and we can discuss it.

I'm not one to make personal attacks on a message board as I have better things to do with my life, but you act like a spoiled 12 year old who always has to get his way. Chill out, make your point (once) then move on.

No, really? Don't be such a jackass because you just did. I don't remember even talking to you before and now you're going to jump to attacking my character and policing my posting tendencies. Not your job brother. Mind your business and stick to the topic and this works a lot better and we don't have to waste our time with the personal nonsense.

 

[upstater1]

Ryland probably have some Lacrosse history in his background thus the egregious Trade-up. Him and that Third Rounder have a lot to live up to.

Green Bay was going to take him and we would've ended up with Folk again

 

[captain stone]

Green Bay was going to take him and we would've ended up with Folk again

So ****ing what? They can have him at 113 or wherever. Folk's good for one more season anyway.

Coffee's for Closers; and 4th-Rounders are for ****ING FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

 

[upstater1]

So what? They can have him at 113 or wherever.

Coffee's for Closers; and 4th-Rounders are for Football Players.

So you want Folk again, after the way he closed out the season.

Just say that and be done with it

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

Really? Like what? Bring up something specific and we can discuss it. Otherwise you're just full of ****.

You disagree with me, then fine, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not everyone has the same point of view. But you're calling me lazy which is garbage. I don't pull my opinions out of my ass or rely on something nebulous like IBWT (which is half the board). I backup my opinions with as many examples, numbers, stats, and data as anyone. If you don't think so then you're not paying attention.

"No backing whatsoever"?? That's a ridiculous statement. Again, bring up something specific and we can discuss it.


No, really? Don't be such a jackass because you just did. I don't remember even talking to you before and now you're going to jump to attacking my character and policing my posting tendencies. Not your job brother. Mind your business and stick to the topic and this works a lot better and we don't have to waste our time with the personal nonsense.

People get down on you because you fail to acknowledge the rest of the 53 responsible for the trophies as well as the coaching staff that helped the quarterback, especially when it comes to learning how to win those Superbowls.
Were you crying this hard about where Vinitieri was picked?
Did you know that the Pats were going to win their first Super Bowl with Tom Brady?
You don't have any answers, you have ideas that you project on a message board. Give it a rest.

 

[crawhammer]

Were you crying this hard about where Vinitieri was picked?

lol bad example... Vinatieri was an UDFA. So no, I wasn't crying about it.

People get down on you because you fail to acknowledge the rest of the 53 responsible for the trophies as well as the coaching staff that helped the quarterback, especially when it comes to learning how to win those Superbowls.

Did you know that the Pats were going to win their first Super Bowl with Tom Brady?
You don't have any answers, you have ideas that you project on a message board. Give it a rest.

You're the one bringing up Brady. So I was giving it a rest in this thread because it hadn't been relevant. But since you brought it up.

You apparently can't tell the difference between all and majority. Not once have I ever said Brady gets all of the credit. My "idea" is Brady gets the majority of the credit, i.e. Brady is more responsible than any other individual for the success of the team. Put whatever percentage on it that you want... 75%, 50%, 25%... whatever, Brady gets the highest percentage.

The percentage I assign is probably higher than most but ironically with all of the crying that goes on about my opinion here is that the majority of people actually agree with me that Brady gets the majority of credit.

The fact is the IBWTers don't like to hear it or admit it because they think it diminishes BB's legacy. He's still the GOAT HC, so don't get your panties in a twist. But the record is what it is... BB the HC can't win without Brady... 0-10 now in his career. With Brady he won 17 of 18 division titles and 6 Super Bowls.

BB still deserves credit for the Patriots dynasty, just not as much as Brady, who also proved he could win without BB.

 

[1960Pats]

Keep it in context, Belichick traded up in the 4th round to select this guy. A kicker. NFL.com had him listed as an "priority undrafted free agent"... meaning no one was drafting this guy in the 4th round. Only one other kicker was taken after Ryland... by Green Bay, at the end of the 6th round.

This was a terrible pick.

Even you don't know if Ryland would have lasted if the Pats didn't take him in the 4th.

 

[crawhammer]

Even you don't know if Ryland would have lasted if the Pats didn't take him in the 4th.

walterfootball.com ranked the top K prospects, they stopped at 7 because that's probably already too many, Ryland wasn't on the list.

profootballnetwork.com had Ryland ranked 4th.

drafttek.com had Ryland ranked 10th.

Moody was 1st in pretty much all of the rankings I saw. Ryland was usually ranked in the top 10, typically top 5, but he wasn't consistently 2nd and many publications had him as a projected UDFA based on their overall rankings.

They had other needs in the 4th, I've seen no reporting that justifies the trade up to get him, and besides that, if they missed out on Ryland before one of their later picks, then take someone else of probably equivalent potential. Moody is the clear top K prospect, after him, it's pretty meh.

 

[ralmat55]

Lindy’s Sports draft publication rated Ryland their #1 available PK projected to be a 5th rounder. Give it a break. None of these publications or websites, including ESPN and NFL.com, are a definitive authority. It’s all someone’s opinion.

For all the hand wringing about trading a 6th rounder to trade up in the 4th to draft the team’s, likely, leading point scorer for the next 5 seasons or so, it’s overlooked that the Pats recouped the 6th rounder by trading down 9 spots from the late 4th round to an early 5 round pick with which they took the UCLA guard.

I’m no homer. I’ve been very critical of Belichick and his decision making for the last 5 years or more for surrendering his better judgement to his ego. Heck, I’ve been downright insulting of the man at times. But, time will tell that he got this one right. That’s my opinion anyway, and it’s no more definitive than anyone else’s.

This thread reminds me of the one after Matt Slater resigned. Page after page of people arguing the value of a STer.

 

[catent]

I personally prefer Ryland over Moody.

Moody may have an incrementally stronger leg but Ryland is not far behind and I like Ryland’s consistency more. He was phenomenal from 50 yards and fewer, which is exactly what you want. He has the leg to connect from 60+, too.

My dad’s alma mater is Michigan so I see a lot of their games. Moody was a good K but occasionally shanked a shorter kick. He’s always been talented and good, but never seemed rock-solid consistent/reliable in my opinion.

 

[scott99]

I don’t know why people would be upset with the Ryland pick. He’s been a great PK at 2 schools. It also filled a HUGE need. I’m also thrilled with the punter Baringer pick as well. Two special team kickers with huge legs. They’ve settled two key positions for at least 4 years.

 

[Sfpat]

Really? Like what? Bring up something specific and we can discuss it. Otherwise you're just full of ****.

You disagree with me, then fine, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not everyone has the same point of view. But you're calling me lazy which is garbage. I don't pull my opinions out of my ass or rely on something nebulous like IBWT (which is half the board). I backup my opinions with as many examples, numbers, stats, and data as anyone. If you don't think so then you're not paying attention.

"No backing whatsoever"?? That's a ridiculous statement. Again, bring up something specific and we can discuss it.


No, really? Don't be such a jackass because you just did. I don't remember even talking to you before and now you're going to jump to attacking my character and policing my posting tendencies. Not your job brother. Mind your business and stick to the topic and this works a lot better and we don't have to waste our time with the personal nonsense.

This screed isn't worth a response but thanks for again proving my point. I trust you can find peace living with your BB/Mac obsession.

 

[Ring 6]

Really? Like what? Bring up something specific and we can discuss it. Otherwise you're just full of ****.

You disagree with me, then fine, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not everyone has the same point of view. But you're calling me lazy which is garbage. I don't pull my opinions out of my ass or rely on something nebulous like IBWT (which is half the board). I backup my opinions with as many examples, numbers, stats, and data as anyone. If you don't think so then you're not paying attention.

"No backing whatsoever"?? That's a ridiculous statement. Again, bring up something specific and we can discuss it.


No, really? Don't be such a jackass because you just did. I don't remember even talking to you before and now you're going to jump to attacking my character and policing my posting tendencies. Not your job brother. Mind your business and stick to the topic and this works a lot better and we don't have to waste our time with the personal nonsense.

Read the room

 

[Ring 6]

walterfootball.com ranked the top K prospects, they stopped at 7 because that's probably already too many, Ryland wasn't on the list.

profootballnetwork.com had Ryland ranked 4th.

drafttek.com had Ryland ranked 10th.

Moody was 1st in pretty much all of the rankings I saw. Ryland was usually ranked in the top 10, typically top 5, but he wasn't consistently 2nd and many publications had him as a projected UDFA based on their overall rankings.

They had other needs in the 4th, I've seen no reporting that justifies the trade up to get him, and besides that, if they missed out on Ryland before one of their later picks, then take someone else of probably equivalent potential. Moody is the clear top K prospect, after him, it's pretty meh.

What picks did Walter football, pro football network, and Drafttek have?
I didn’t notice them make any.

How many players, especially after round 3 were picked where they predicted?
You are taking guesses by people who can’t get a job making draft picks, which are largely not close to correct and considering them factual representation of where players should and would have been picked.

 

[Ring 6]

So what? They can have him at 113 or wherever.

Coffee's for Closers; and 4th-Rounders are for Football Players.

Who would you have taken with the pick?

 

[captain stone]

Even you don't know if Ryland would have lasted if the Pats didn't take him in the 4th.

So ****ing what if he didn't? That would've been no loss, Whatsoever.

 

[captain stone]

Read the room

What the **** does that even mean?