DRAFT Chad Ryland - Round 4 - 112th overall

[rochrist]

Keep it in context, Belichick traded up in the 4th round to select this guy. A kicker. NFL.com had him listed as an "priority undrafted free agent"... meaning no one was drafting this guy in the 4th round. Only one other kicker was taken after Ryland... by Green Bay, at the end of the 6th round.

This was a terrible pick.

Effectively, he gave up a sixth rounder. Big freaking deal.

 

[Wozzy]

Since when was a kicker a position of priority need heading into this draft? I know Bill has built a team with an objective of winning in the teens, where FGs will be important, but still.

When Nick Folk hit 38 years of age and they cut the punter from last year who was handling kickoffs.

If you need me to link it I can provide my pre-draft needs list which clearly stated that they needed a kicker and a punter. I told everyone on day three it was coming that morning before the draft began. It was a dire need... just in case you're about to accuse me of waxing BB's balls.

If BB didn't address the position and the Pats were one of those desperate teams bringing in a new kicker every week after losing their previous game on a field goal, you'd blame him for that as well. You dislike Bill... sounds like a Crawdad problem.

OMG if Belichick had drafted a kicker in the 3rd round then I really would have lost my mind.

The 49ers did... you know... that team posters tell us are really smart and wish we were more like.

The difference with the 49ers is their quarterback (whoever it is) is already surrounded by an all star team. And their defense is excellent. So they can afford to WASTE a 3rd round pick on a kicker. Even though I give that pick an F too. Under no circumstances should a kicker be taken in the draft before the weekend. That's my rule.

It's a sht rule if you need a kicker.

You take the right one and he stays on your roster a decade. There might be one in a draft class, maybe two like this year. There might be none in next year's draft class. It's a lot like QB in that way, they're not always readily available.

Yes. Something like that.

Filed goals are points, points win games. Punters = field position. Field position matters, special teams matter.

This isn't fantasy football.

 

[crawhammer]

Effectively, he gave up a sixth rounder. Big freaking deal.

What round was Brady drafted?

Should have kept that 6th rounder and used it for your kicker if you're jonesing hard for one. Plenty of decent WRs and TEs still on the board in the 4th. Bad trade, bad pick.

 

[rochrist]

What round was Brady drafted?

Should have kept that 6th rounder and used it for your kicker if you're jonesing hard for one. Plenty of decent WRs and TEs still on the board in the 4th. Bad trade, bad pick.

Kept the sixth-rounder and used it on a kicker who sucks. Ok. If Ryland is our kicker for the next 5-10 years, you'll conveniently forget all the whining you're doing now.

 

[BritPat]

People will never learn when it comes to ST's and the Kicking game. Hey ho.

 

[crawhammer]

Kept the sixth-rounder and used it on a kicker who sucks. Ok. If Ryland is our kicker for the next 5-10 years, you'll conveniently forget all the whining you're doing now.

************. I'm just stating my opinion on the draft pick. And I haven't forgotten my opinion on drafting Rohwasser in the 5th round. How did that turn out? And if you can't tell the difference in value between pick #112 and pick #212 then you shouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Steve102]

************. I'm just stating my opinion on the draft pick. And I haven't forgotten my opinion on drafting Rohwasser in the 5th round. How did that turn out? And if you can't tell the difference in value between pick #112 and pick #212 then you shouldn't be having this conversation.

This is why everyone argues with you. Stop being so smarmy and thinking you're the smartest guy here. Hitting people over the head with your knowledge isn't going to get people to change their mind.

 

[crawhammer]

This is why everyone argues with you. Stop being so smarmy and thinking you're the smartest guy here. Hitting people over the head with your knowledge isn't going to get people to change their mind.

Everyone? Wow.

Smarmy is another way of calling me a troll. My opinions are entirely sincere and I think people generally "argue" when they have differing opinions. And I'm sorry but when someone implies there's no difference between a 4th and 6th round selection then it shows a less than keen awareness. About that specific topic, I'm not talking about anyone's IQ.

 

[Steve102]

Everyone? Wow.

Smarmy is another way of calling me a troll. My opinions are entirely sincere and I think people generally "argue" when they have differing opinions. And I'm sorry but when someone implies there's no difference between a 4th and 6th round selection then it shows a less than keen awareness. About that specific topic, I'm not talking about anyone's IQ.

I don't think you're a troll, not in the least. I do think you think you're smarter than everyone here and can't fathom why we don't all listen to you.

 

[Grogan14]

After the Rohrwasser debacle (5th round pick), my faith in BB's assessment of kickers has bottomed out.
Moody was universally viewed as far and away the best kicker in the draft and possibly a generational talent.
The Patriots are likely going to need a great kicker because their offense is low octane and field goals for them may make the difference between a top 10 pick our making the playoffs.
In my view Patriots should have recognized and aggressively pursued Moody.
The lack of awareness that he might go in the bottom of third at the compensatory pick range was a failing for Patriots brass.
Given how important a top tier kicker is for Patriots (as opposed to teams like SF which should be able to score at will)....I think the Pats should have taken Moody in the third. Either with their own pick or trade down a few picks.
Question to ponder. Who will most likely have a bigger impact in next 2 years a top tier accurate kicker who is reliable and can do kickoffs or Marpu.

Could Rhyland be that guy..maybe? but likelihood of Moody being that guy is much higher

 

[Steve102]

After the Rohrwasser debacle (5th round pick), my faith in BB's assessment of kickers has bottomed out.
Moody was universally viewed as far and away the best kicker in the draft and possibly a generational talent.
The Patriots are likely going to need a great kicker because their offense is low octane and field goals for them may make the difference between a top 10 pick our making the playoffs.
In my view Patriots should have recognized and aggressively pursued Moody.
The lack of awareness that he might go in the bottom of third at the compensatory pick range was a failing for Patriots brass.
Given how important a top tier kicker is for Patriots (as opposed to teams like SF which should be able to score at will)....I think the Pats should have taken Moody in the third. Either with their own pick or trade down a few picks.
Question to ponder. Who will most likely have a bigger impact in next 2 years a top tier accurate kicker who is reliable and can do kickoffs or Marpu.

Could Rhyland be that guy..maybe? but likelihood of Moody being that guy is much higher

Someone posted a link that had Ryland ranked 1st. I can't remember which thread. I agree Moody was highly touted, but this kid is supposed to be as good, from what I have read.

 

[rochrist]

After the Rohrwasser debacle (5th round pick), my faith in BB's assessment of kickers has bottomed out.
Moody was universally viewed as far and away the best kicker in the draft and possibly a generational talent.
The Patriots are likely going to need a great kicker because their offense is low octane and field goals for them may make the difference between a top 10 pick our making the playoffs.
In my view Patriots should have recognized and aggressively pursued Moody.
The lack of awareness that he might go in the bottom of third at the compensatory pick range was a failing for Patriots brass.
Given how important a top tier kicker is for Patriots (as opposed to teams like SF which should be able to score at will)....I think the Pats should have taken Moody in the third. Either with their own pick or trade down a few picks.
Question to ponder. Who will most likely have a bigger impact in next 2 years a top tier accurate kicker who is reliable and can do kickoffs or Marpu.

Could Rhyland be that guy..maybe? but likelihood of Moody being that guy is much higher

My understanding is that Moody was rated that highly largely on the strength of one fabulous season, whereas Rhyland had a strong overall career. In any even, seeing the panties in a bunch over taking a kicker in the fourth, I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if they took on in the third.
Also, yes Rohrwasser was awful. Before that, he picked Ghostkowski. That worked out ok.

 

[crawhammer]

I do think you think you're smarter than everyone here and can't fathom why we don't all listen to you.

If I tell you that's not the case then you won't believe me anyway.

But I fully understand why people don't listen to me. You can generally classify members here... pro-Mac, anti-Mac, pro-BB (i.e. IBWT), anti-BB, pro-Brady, anti-Brady (these people are clearly off the rails and probably dumb ).

The further you are on any of those positions, then the greater the resistance you'll get from the opposing position, and the more disagreement and arguments you'll encounter. It's similar to left and right politics, the further you are from the middle, then the more divisive you appear.

 

[crawhammer]

Also, yes Rohrwasser was awful. Before that, he picked Ghostkowski. That worked out ok.

Unless it was an AFCCG or Super Bowl. Other than those minor occasions, yes, good career for Gostkowski.

 

[Grogan14]

Sign me up as pro Brady, anti BB and Mac skeptical but hope he evolves
Brady is 90% responsible for the dynasty

 

[Steve102]

If I tell you that's not the case then you won't believe me anyway.

But I fully understand why people don't listen to me. You can generally classify members here... pro-Mac, anti-Mac, pro-BB (i.e. IBWT), anti-BB, pro-Brady, anti-Brady (these people are clearly off the rails and probably dumb ).

The further you are on any of those positions, then the greater the resistance you'll get from the opposing position, and the more disagreement and arguments you'll encounter. It's similar to left and right politics, the further you are from the middle, then the more divisive you appear.

Which get's me back to why are we divided? I am pro-Patriots. I was pro-Brady, I am pro-BB. They are not exclusive. I am not pro-Mac, but I will look for good things in his game and acknowledge errors and shortcomings. If he gets beat out by one of the other 2 QBs, three if we count the kid they signed as an UDFA, then I will root for that guy. I just want them to win, I don't need to be right in my opinions, especially to the point that I root against a player or players. Kinda defeats the purpose of being a fan of the team.

 

[Zuma]

I just want them to win, I don't need to be right in my opinions, especially to the point that I root against a player or players. Kinda defeats the purpose of being a fan of the team.

 

[Ian]

If I tell you that's not the case then you won't believe me anyway.

But I fully understand why people don't listen to me. You can generally classify members here... pro-Mac, anti-Mac, pro-BB (i.e. IBWT), anti-BB, pro-Brady, anti-Brady (these people are clearly off the rails and probably dumb ).

The further you are on any of those positions, then the greater the resistance you'll get from the opposing position, and the more disagreement and arguments you'll encounter. It's similar to left and right politics, the further you are from the middle, then the more divisive you appear.

I get the point you’re making, but you’re sort of the master of claiming to be in the middle but you’re not. You’re 100% anti Bill, 100% anti Mac and 100% pro Brady. I love Tom as well and hated the decision to not keep him, but that was four years ago. Now we have Mac/Zappe or a player to be named later. It’s over.

“It is what it is” and I’m in no hurry to run Belichick out of here unless everyone quits on him. Because you never know if the next guy - even if it’s Mayo - is going to get get the job done as well or better. Everyone hopes so, but as we’ve seen, that might not be the case.

Like @Steve102 said, all that matters is whether or not they win. Every game gets us closer to change at some point. It’s going to come and none of us may end up liking how things go, so no point in rushing it.

 

[Steve102]

I get the point you’re making, but you’re sort of the master of claiming to be in the middle but you’re not. You’re 100% anti Bill, 100% anti Mac and 100% pro Brady. I love Tom as well and hated the decision to not keep him, but that was four years ago. Now we have Mac/Zappe or a player to be named later. It’s over.

“It is what it is” and I’m in no hurry to run Belichick out of here unless everyone quits on him. Because you never know if the next guy - even if it’s Mayo - is going to get get the job done as well or better. Everyone hopes so, but as we’ve seen, that might not be the case.

Can we get this back to Ryland? I can see us going down the rabbit hole.

 

[The Brandon Five]