BradyManny
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I just hope to god that Yi Jianlian doesn't grow into a Superstar and Ray Allen doesn't turn out to be the second coming of Dominique Wilkins... Knowing this franchise, I am really skeptical right now.
Big Baby Glen Davis with #35.
Why would you throw up over his face?
We just got a perennial All-Star for the #5 pick and a useless vet with a terrible contract. It hurts to give up Delonte, but he wasn't going to get many minutes with Rondo taking over point anyway.
People point to his drafting Al Jefferson and Gerald Green, but people forget both those guys slipped way down, and a chimp could have made those picks. I thought a deal couldn't be worse than picking up Telfair for the #7 pick last year, and now I stand corrected. Now I'm just waiting to hear they've traded Al Jefferson and the #32 pick to get Antoine Walker back again.
Actually, they will get rid of these high-priced veteran contracts. In 3 years when both Allen and Pierce's contracts expires.
Nobody has been looking at the Celtics rationally recently. I don't know if it's the Sox success with youth or the Pats success with youth, but the whole Celtic nation has become youth obsessed, forgetting that, currently, of all leagues, its the NBA that puts the highest value on experience.
How can this backfire? Delonte West, as much as I am a fan of his, is a JAG. Wally Sczerbiak is a horrendous defensive player with a streaky shot and an overpriced contract. Jeff Green could turn into a serviceable-to above average player in a few years. Ray Allen is an All-Star, one of the best shooters in the league, and a terrific defensive player.
WORST CASE SCENARIO: Pierce and Allen make a few runs at the playoffs, fail, make Boston relevant in the meanwhile. In those three years, Jefferson, Green and Rondo actually approach the age in their career in which they will be strong enough to form a nucleus on their own, and as Pierce and Allen's contract expires, not only do we have the cap space to resign our talent as it begins to approach its prime, we'll have room left over to sign some complimentary parts in free agency.
Honestly, for the "let's build around Al Jefferson" group, you do realize that you're probably 3+ years away from Jefferson even thinking about being able to carry a team.
Is Jeff Green really worth not contending in that period of time?
Let's keep some perspective.
Fair enough. I agree, Allen's reputation is of an average defender, I happen to disagree quite a bit with that reputation based on what I've seen of him.
It's sort of like Pierce. You hear a lot of "his defense has declined in recent years". So much of defense revolves around how good your teammates are. I think PP is still a great defender, and we know he puts some pride in his D.
I think Rondo-Allen-Pierce-Al-Perk is a great defensive unit. It has speed and length, and will create turnovers and the uptempo basketball Ainge wants to create.
lol
very true
they were actually my two guys i loved in both drafts but didnt think we'd have a chance at either
and yet still im like **** ainge dont screw it up
if swift and al were avail at that spot ainge woulda taken swift lol
Pierce, Allen, and Jefferson are all minus defenders right now, in my opinion. Ray Allen has been mediocre at best on D throughout his career. Pierce can be an excellent defender when he wants to be, which is almost never anymore. Can't say that I've blamed him for that, with his minutes and pressure to score he couldn't play all out on both ends. Jefferson is still learning how to play D, he gets his block numbers from swiping at the ball when out of position. The only plus defenders I see on this team are Rondo and Tony Allen, if he comes back healthy. A big problem in my opinion is that Doc is such a poor coach that the young guys simply aren't learning how to play defense. Teams will run one play on the Celts over and over and Doc can't realize it and make adjustments.
Ray Allen's contract seems to have 3 years left.
16.0M
17.3M
18.1M
I'm not sure where the guy from this thread gets his numbers. But it sounds about right.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116932
they seemed more upbeat about ray allen than any c's fan