Celtics 2023 - 2024 Discussion

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Embiid plays he’s gonna feast without KP

 

[aluminum seats]

Surprised it didn't drop more with Porzingis out

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Would be awesome if the media would stop acting like Draymond Green is Michael Jordan Ultra.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Should be Celtics -20 because of that Ice loves me

Anyone who is still slurping for Brown is delusional. The team wins at a higher rate without him dating back years. Their net rating on both sides of the court improve without him. On the eye test, they move the ball with such ease when he’s not out there rather than reducing it to iso ball. He kills all the ball movement.

Their defense is suffocating when they have five defenders playing great help-side and crashing the boards, rather than four guys doing that and one guy walking around doing nothing, literally jogging while standing up.

It’s not surprising that the group of subs who supposedly “suck” and were cited as the reason Brown’s +|- was so bad, suddenly all played their best game of the season without him.

He is literally the worst player on the team playing a ton of minutes and wasting a ton of offensive opportunities, they’d be 11-0 without him, and if they don’t figure it out they won’t a championship.

Holiday and White may be the best backcourt in the NBA. But both are limited with playmaking when he’s on the the court.

This was not a fluke.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Anyone who is still slurping for Brown is delusional. The team wins at a higher rate without him dating back years. Their net rating on both sides of the court improve without him. On the eye test, they move the ball with such ease when he’s not out there rather than reducing it to iso ball. He kills all the ball movement.

Their defense is suffocating when they have five defenders playing great help-side and crashing the boards, rather than four guys doing that and one guy walking around doing nothing, literally jogging while standing up.

It’s not surprising that the group of subs who supposedly “suck” and were cited as the reason Brown’s +|- was so bad, suddenly all played their best game of the season without him.

He is literally the worst player on the team playing a ton of minutes and wasting a ton of offensive opportunities, they’d be 11-0 without him, and if they don’t figure it out they won’t a championship.

Holiday and White may be the best backcourt in the NBA. But both are limited with playmaking when he’s on the the court.

This was not a fluke.

It's 1 game. Great win.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Look at that point differential. Vegas is going to start adjusting 2007 Patriots style.

 

[jimnance]

Sweet win

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I have to say I didn’t realize how much the Cs were getting in Holiday. I was hoping they’d figure out a way to get Chris Paul to help in close games but they went way beyond. Didn’t see this last April but The Athletic did a player’s poll and Holiday won easily as best defensive player in the league and also most underrated player in the league.

 

[jimnance]

I have to say I didn’t realize how much the Cs were getting in Holiday. I was hoping they’d figure out a way to get Chris Paul to help in close games but they went way beyond. Didn’t see this last April but The Athletic did a player’s poll and Holiday won easily as best defensive player in the league and also most underrated player in the league.

He's a helluva player. Derrick White ain't no slouch either.
Love our backcourt.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He's a helluva player. Derrick White ain't no slouch either.
Love our backcourt.

Yes and White has improved to be such a skilled point guard and playmaker in his own right that they can rotate the two and rarely have gaps when one of them isn’t in the game. Last season they struggled to get competent point guard play from anyone.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Holiday was also NBA Teammate of the Year in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

 

[Kdo5]

Anyone who is still slurping for Brown is delusional. The team wins at a higher rate without him dating back years. Their net rating on both sides of the court improve without him. On the eye test, they move the ball with such ease when he’s not out there rather than reducing it to iso ball. He kills all the ball movement.

Their defense is suffocating when they have five defenders playing great help-side and crashing the boards, rather than four guys doing that and one guy walking around doing nothing, literally jogging while standing up.

It’s not surprising that the group of subs who supposedly “suck” and were cited as the reason Brown’s +|- was so bad, suddenly all played their best game of the season without him.

He is literally the worst player on the team playing a ton of minutes and wasting a ton of offensive opportunities, they’d be 11-0 without him, and if they don’t figure it out they won’t a championship.

Holiday and White may be the best backcourt in the NBA. But both are limited with playmaking when he’s on the the court.

This was not a fluke.

Are you going to enjoy the season and root for all of our guys or are you just going to talk down about Jaylen Brown all season? It’s pretty evident that you are generally rooting for Brown to have a bad game which is kind of sad for a fan.

The act is wearing thin.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Are you going to enjoy the season and root for all of our guys or are you just going to talk down about Jaylen Brown all season? It’s pretty evident that you are generally rooting for Brown to have a bad game which is kind of sad for a fan.

The act is wearing thin.

Quite a crybaby response to this post don’t you think Mr We Can’t Win Without Jaylen! pom pom boy? I’ve been posting plenty about other Celtics stuff so it’s funny you point out I only focus on negatives then scan through my posts and respond to only the one you see as negative.

Did you have mixed feeling last night seeing how great the Celtics played (their best game of the season) without Brown? All I hear from you are ad hominem attacks and cliches. If you’re going to respond to one of my posts, respond to my points. You just look weak and defensive.

 

[rochrist]

Hauser can absolutely replace Brown.

-Better ball movement
-Better shooter
-Better defender
-More shots for JT, KP, JH, DW
-Better overall efficiency
-Team won’t lose games because of the huge inefficiency crater from a guy who takes 20 shots per game and often looks lost and unmotivated

Look, addition by subtraction occurs all the time in the NBA. Jaylen Brown currently is hurting the team but is playing second most minutes. Because his all-around game is so bad, he’d need to shoot over 50% merely to break even. It isn’t going to happen consistently even if he has hot stretches which he will.

Having a guy like Hauser, who is simply a solid spot shooter, would be an ideal fit for an offense with multiple star players who like to create shots and are constantly changing the spacing, whereas an iso player like Brown doesn’t fit, and he is a low efficiency iso player to boot.

This is the stupidest take I've ever seen.

 

[rochrist]

If Embiid plays he’s gonna feast without KP

Another sterling insight.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is the stupidest take I've ever seen.

Oh I guess you missed last night’s game when every single one of those were true. Such bad timing for you on this post.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Another sterling insight.

Shouldn’t you be sucking Bill’s **** and telling us how stupid we are for criticizing those decisions? I know you’re in a really deep hole now and a clown homer reputation, but perhaps doubling down on being a team homer and dismissing logic isn’t the your best play.

 

[Kdo5]

This is the stupidest take I've ever seen.

LMFAO. He is actually trying to tell us Sam Hauser should replace Jaylen Brown.

Quite a crybaby response to this post don’t you think Mr We Can’t Win Without Jaylen! pom pom boy? I’ve been posting plenty about other Celtics stuff so it’s funny you point out I only focus on negatives then scan through my posts and respond to only the one you see as negative.

Did you have mixed feeling last night seeing how great the Celtics played (their best game of the season) without Brown? All I hear from you are ad hominem attacks and cliches. If you’re going to respond to one of my posts, respond to my points. You just look weak and defensive.

I don’t have mixed feelings because I am not rooting against any of the starters who I think all of them are excellent. You do not share the same mentality as you want to root against a key player on the team.

I already did respond to your posts multiple times earlier and you flat out rejected them, so here we are.

You are the one who is erratic. If you have some criticisms of the player that is perfectly fine, in doses. But he is an all-NBA player who has been instrumental to the team being a top playoff contender since he was drafted. It’s more like you have an agenda to tell us that he sucks.

And you just told to rochrist to suck a ****. Who is the defensive one, again? I’m just calling you out for god awful takes such as “Replace Brown with Hauser”.

Tell each player and coach on the Celtics that they’d be better off getting rid of Brown and putting Hauser in as his replacement. I guarantee they’d all laugh in your face, including Sam Hauser.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

And you just told to rochrist to suck a ****. Who is the defensive one, again? I’m just calling you out for god awful takes such as “Replace Brown with Hauser”.

Tell each player and coach on the Celtics that they’d be better off getting rid of Brown and putting Hauser in as his replacement. I guarantee they’d all laugh in your face, including Sam Hauser.

Certainly having mouth breathing fans and pundits kick and scream about a a controversial move like this would put any GM and coach under pressure. It’s against common wisdom even though the team is better without Brown. The team is basically creating a special role for him with KP like a Jokic-Murray lite pick and roll game since it’s a basic concept and still kind of an iso but takes advantage of KP’s height and JB’s shotmaking and athleticism.

I don’t know why this is so sacrosanct. The same on/off splits, advanced stats, team improvement with his absence were oft cited with Kyrie Irving. Another iso ball centric player. And guess what? The Celtics were indeed worse off with him and improved when he left even though he was their “best player” by scoring and basic box score volume. And he’s a guy who had won a championship in Cleveland. Basketball is a complex sport. If I were lacking scorers, certainly Brown gives me a better chance to win because he can create his own shots. But with this offense, open looks are constantly created by the playmakers. A steady eddy sharpshooter is a better choice than an iso player without court vision, whose skills not only don’t evolve with the offense but actually clog it up.

I posed this idea on PatriotsPlanet expecting blowback, but the immediate response was agreement that Brown’s minutes should be cut and that he indeed doesn’t work well. The guys there I guess also observe his lazy defense rather than zeroing in on his (low efficiency, high volume) point total.