CBA Approval Status

[RelocatedPatFan]

Berthelsen's email said the league "demands that the players reform as a union and provide evidence by Tuesday, July 26, that a majority of players have signed union authorization cards."

Obviously the final CBA can't be agreed to until the Union is reformed, however, the CBA itself didn't need to have any such language. The CBA should be about the agreement between the players and owners on the revenue sharing and has nothing to do with the players' end of things.

I think this issue is more about the pride of the player reps. Hopefully this will be resolved internally by the players and a deal agreed to soon. The questionmark to me is if the players insisted on that language being removed from the CBA, does that mean that the owners would have to get together again to vote and recertify? And what about if there were some other terms that needed to be modified? LOL it's a logistical nightmare.

From the owners tandpoint it may actually make sense...being that the agreed upon CBA does indeed have a shelf life and the players can't take too long to decide what to do.

As time is missed, the size of the pie does start to change. this can affect the overall % the players receive and adjust the salary CAP. Also, the owners do have fixed costs which aren't likely to change and if the players delay too long, the profit the owners get could be more significant.

Granted, I don't think the players are "thinking" in those terms and they want this resolved as fast as the oweners. Much eaiser to get 32 owners to agree than 1700+ people. At this point, the players have to put aside their ego and focus on the big picture and vote.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I think the players are waiting for the "Heat-dome" to pass before they have to report.

 

[Uncle Rico]

... Much eaiser to get 32 owners to agree than 1700+ people. At this point, the players have to put aside their ego and focus on the big picture and vote.

My sense is that, once this gets to the 1700+ players, it will be approved. The hurdle seems to be getting it to them.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It appears that one sticking point is that the players don't like how the owners are dictating the timeframe for reforming the player's union.

"In addition to depriving the players of the time needed to consider forming a union and making needed changes to the old agreement, this proposed procedure would, in my view, also violate federal labor laws," Berthelsen said in the email. "Those laws prohibit employers from coercing their employees into forming a union and could result in any agreement reached through the procedure being declared null and void."

NFL.com news: NFLPA shows displeasure with league in email to player reps

That null and void language sounds like a bad thing. I have no idea why the CBA would even have a provision dictating to the players when they'd put together their union.

Berthelsen's email said the league "demands that the players reform as a union and provide evidence by Tuesday, July 26, that a majority of players have signed union authorization cards."

Obviously the final CBA can't be agreed to until the Union is reformed, however, the CBA itself didn't need to have any such language. The CBA should be about the agreement between the players and owners on the revenue sharing and has nothing to do with the players' end of things.

I think this issue is more about the pride of the player reps. Hopefully this will be resolved internally by the players and a deal agreed to soon. The questionmark to me is if the players insisted on that language being removed from the CBA, does that mean that the owners would have to get together again to vote and recertify? And what about if there were some other terms that needed to be modified? LOL it's a logistical nightmare.

The owners didn't vote on a CBA yesterday. None can exist absent a union. They voted on a settlement agreement that stipulated that once certain things transpired it would become the basis for a CBA. They can't start the league year or enter into binding contracts with these clowns until they have a CBA. What should the owners have done differently... Believe me, De was well aware of what the league was proposing in the way of timing and terms. He and Roger weren't talking about their fantasy rosters for an hour and a half before the owners finally voted.

And that would be ego and not pride.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mawae just issued a statement. Said the NFLPA will continue to review the proposed settlement with the NFL today and will have no further comments today out of respect to the Kraft family. Doesn't sound like they will be voting today...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/22/mawae-says-nflpa-will-consider-proposal-today/

 

[NEPats1]

Breer just said on NFLN that BB (along with execs from other teams) is attending a seminar in Atlanta to get up to speed on the new rules WOW I didn't know that, this sounds encouraging.

 

[Gunnails]

Breer just said on NFLN that BB (along with execs from other teams) is attending a seminar in Atlanta to get up to speed on the new rules WOW I didn't know that, this sounds encouraging.

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Hmmm, I would of thought he would of been at the funeral.

 

[Uncle Rico]

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Hmmm, I would of thought he would of been at the funeral.

He is/was. I think all the teams had football personnel in Atlanta yesterday.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Breer just said on NFLN that BB (along with execs from other teams) is attending a seminar in Atlanta to get up to speed on the new rules WOW I didn't know that, this sounds encouraging.

Well let me throw some ice on that enthusiasm... The players didn't vote yesterday so the teams can't open tomorrow. If they vote today which is unlikely teams can't open until Sunday. I assume all of the timeline shifts going forward.

 

[BlueThunder]

Well let me throw some ice on that enthusiasm... The players didn't vote yesterday so the teams can't open tomorrow. If they vote today which is unlikely teams can't open until Sunday. I assume all of the timeline shifts going forward.

Sounds entirely reasonable.....at some point very soon the players and their reps are going to have to SH*T or get off the pot....

Lets go grab a snack !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Angry Man]

Can they just settle on this and end it? I want to eat a god damn snack god damn it!

 

[IcyPatriot]

Can they just settle on this and end it? I want to eat a god damn snack god damn it!

When it's settled the Jets can officially suck again.

 

[Angry Man]

When it's settled the Jets can officially suck again.

The Jets officially suck even during the lockout. That's a FACT!

 

[BlueThunder]

Not to go off topic but...

I can't wait until this CBA gets approved...the players get to TC...and FA signings begin ....


so I can watch the Jets trainwreck....

 

[BadMoFo]

I heard Adam Schefter on ESPN Radio and he said that the whole blow up is much ado about nothing. He said that Goodell communicated verbally to Smith everything the owners were voting on that were not in the document prior to the vote and that the owners only did that because yesterday was the only day to get all the owners together to vote and that they felt none of the issues were anything the players would disagree with.

Things got inflamed on the players' side because an NFLPA lawyer sent an e-mail to the players stating the owners were sneaking things in without stating these new things in the email. Many players felt the owners were just sneaking stuff in that would benefit the owners and be a detriment to the players at the last minute. Schefter claimed that once the player representatives found out what was really added, there really wasn't anything that they felt were serious red flags.

Schefter compared this and all the stuff still outstanding in that the owners and the players agreed to buy a luxury car and now they are fighting over whether to buy the floor mats or not.

I was thinking the same thing while watching coverage on NFL Network. They kept asking Heath Evans and George Wilson, who seem to be pretty bright, what it was that was added and neither really could give an answer, kinda like they were told what to say. and how to react by their lawyers.

 

[strngplyr]

I was thinking the same thing while watching coverage on NFL Network. They kept asking Heath Evans and George Wilson, who seem to be pretty bright, what it was that was added and neither really could give an answer, kinda like they were told what to say. and how to react by their lawyers.

Yeah, it would be so stupid for the owners to do something like that at the last minute knowing damn well the NFLPA is going to go through every last letter of the document.

Apparently the only hold-up now is on disciplinary issues, the players want a say in it.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, it would be so stupid for the owners to do something like that at the last minute knowing damn well the NFLPA is going to go through every last letter of the document.

Apparently the only hold-up now is on disciplinary issues, the players want a say in it.

Lombardi on NFLN just said what I thought on this issue: OWNERS don't even have input or recourse when it comes to Goodell dishing out penalties. Patriots fans know this as well as anyone.

 

[Patriot Missile]

No more two adays. Only 14 full padded practices allowed during the regular season. If true this really takes the term "warrior or iron man" out of the so called NFL player. A lot of guys are going to get paid millions for officially being on the clock 4 hours a day? All of Belichicks late nights studying gameplans and opposinng teams and he has only 4 hours to work with the rookies and vets in all 3 phases of the game to get them ready to go on Sundays.

I'm ready for football but I don't like some of the verbage regarding practices. I feel dissapointed like I'm not going to get the best I could be given with what the coaches and players could truly offer. Also a little jealous I guess given I have to put in a lot of overtime to get the little extra things I like out of life while their hours are shortened lol. If only I was as gifted as those guys

I'm thinking this is probably for safety purposes and some of the concussion data and results has shown most helmet to helmet hits are taken during training camp and practices and these rules are a way of significantly reducing them without taking total accountability.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

No more two adays. Only 14 full padded practices allowed during the regular season. If true this really takes the term "warrior or iron man" out of the so called NFL player. A lot of guys are going to get paid millions for officially being on the clock 4 hours a day? All of Belichicks late nights studying gameplans and opposinng teams and he has only 4 hours to work with the rookies and vets in all 3 phases of the game to get them ready to go on Sundays.

I'm ready for football but I don't like some of the verbage regarding practices. I feel dissapointed like I'm not going to get the best I could be given with what the coaches and players could truly offer. Also a little jealous I guess given I have to put in a lot of overtime to get the little extra things I like out of life while their hours are shortened lol. If only I was as gifted as those guys

I'm thinking this is probably for safety purposes and some of the concussion data and results has shown most helmet to helmet hits are taken during training camp and practices and these rules are a way of significantly reducing them without taking total accountability.

If this really, truly, medically accurately prevents brian damage then I'm all for it regardless of the game day consequences to the fans. If it's labor BS, then I'm agin it. No real way to tell so I'm assuming the former.

 

[Deus Irae]

“Our recommendation is for everyone to stay put and keep doing what you are doing where you are doing it. We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact us. Your player reps.”

NFLPA* to players: We will meet again on Monday to discuss our options | ProFootballTalk