Carucci: Manning is now a better QB than Brady after Saints game

[PatsSteve1]

1st off, I don't really care who the media consensus says is the better QB. When I watch the Patriots play the Colts I'm not rooting for Brady to look better than Manning. I am rooting for the Patriots to beat the Colts and don't care if the Patriots do it with all ST and D points. IMO, the media consensus is based on 'what have you done for me lately'. Lately the Colts have beaten the Patriots, won the last Super Bowl and Manning looked good Thursday night. And Brady hasn't done a thing since last January -

 

[patsfan13]

GREAT friggin analogy!
That's right on...I wish I had come up with that. Can I use it at the gameday party tomorrow?

By all means, I first used it in 2003.

 

[LaBrady]

He keeps on saying Manning is better than to prove it he says this:

"Although they are even in most quarterbacking categories, Manning creates separation as a pure passer. Manning also has had multiple years to develop his virtually perfect synchronization with his best receivers. On the other hand, Brady has had an offseason and preseason to get familiar with Stallworth, Welker, and (to some extent) Moss."

Wow this guy is an idiot! That only proves that Brady would be just as good if not better if he had worked with Hall of Fame recievers for the last 5 years. This guy is an idiot!

 

[sieglo]

He keeps on saying Manning is better than to prove it he says this:

"Although they are even in most quarterbacking categories, Manning creates separation as a pure passer. Manning also has had multiple years to develop his virtually perfect synchronization with his best receivers. On the other hand, Brady has had an offseason and preseason to get familiar with Stallworth, Welker, and (to some extent) Moss."

Wow this guy is an idiot! That only proves that Brady would be just as good if not better if he had worked with Hall of Fame recievers for the last 5 years. This guy is an idiot!

+1. Fact of the matter is that to be good, Manning needs to have three great, consistent receivers as his security blanket. On the other hand, Brady is good with a bunch of third stringers.

 

[Water Boy]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=261

Obviously, it's not fully updated, but it should be enough to make the point. Blaming the defense of the Colts is simply inaccurate.

Through 2005, Brady was a better QB for the reasons cited in that article. Its true that the Colts defense was not horrible in the playoffs, but at some point you have to credit the defense and coaching staff Manning is facing.

Its 2007. In last year's AFC championship, Manning disected the Patriots defense, overcoming an enormous half-time deficet. That is a cold hard fact.

 

[brady199]

Brady is a better leader/field general, and Peyton is a better PASSER.

but there have been guys all over this league who were great passers, exp. Jeff George. It doesn't mean he's a better QB then every one else.

I would take Brady over Manning, if your starting a new team from scratch and you could take one of theese guys from the beggining of their careers. I would go with Brady by a slight edge. he's a born leader, who brings a certain calmness to every one around him.

I can't get that scene out of my head when a few years ago Reggie Wayne was screaming and yelling at manning on the sideline, and pushing him like he was a punk, I don't know if Wayne is that crazy or Manning just didn't or doesn't get the respect that Brady does.

But I couldn't see that happening to Brady.

 

[patsox23]

Tom Brady is arguable THE best QB in the history of football and has frequently been mentioned among the all-time greats like Montana, so your comment insisting that people who think Brady is better than Manning look "wild-eyed and out of touch" makes no sense.

That's not what I said. Please stop lying just because you have no other way of winning a point.

 

[patsox23]

But he didn't say that anyone who says Brady is better looks "wild eyed and out of touch", he said anyone who thinks its "ridiculous" that Manning is better than Brady looks that way.

There's a huge difference.

Thank you, Ed, for being the exception to the newbie rule. Thank you for READING. Some of our vet posters here have a tough time with truth-telling when their ego gets in the way.

 

[Deus Irae]

Through 2005, Brady was a better QB for the reasons cited in that article. Its true that the Colts defense was not horrible in the playoffs, but at some point you have to credit the defense and coaching staff Manning is facing.

How many games does Manning have to gas-pipe before you stop looking for excuses. first it's the defense, then it's the opponent. The opponent is precisely what Manning is supposed to be overcoming.

Its 2007. In last year's AFC championship, Manning disected the Patriots defense, overcoming an enormous half-time deficet. That is a cold hard fact.

The defense he "disected" was filled with 2nd and 3rd string players due to illness/injury. There were also multiple 'questionable' calls (Think pass interference) that went in Indianapolis' favor. That, too, is a cold hard fact.

 

[patsox23]

I think the ridiculous was in reference to one game changing Carucci's mind.

Now THAT is a point, and a rebuttal that I can get behind. Thanks for making that clear. It is definitely silly if the guy changed his mind after ONE game - especially THAT game. Peyton was great, just like he's been LOTS of times, including that last time we played head-to-head.

 

[patsox23]

The defense he "disected" was filled with 2nd and 3rd string players due to illness/injury. There were also multiple 'questionable' calls (Think pass interference) that went in Indianapolis' favor. That, too, is a cold hard fact.

While I don't disagree with these excuses, I think it's lame to cite them. Great teams overcome even THAT much adversity. The Pats STILL should've won that game. You seem to think that Brady needs defending. I prefer a balanced view - as many here have posited, both Brady and Manning are great. Neither needs excusing and both have put together HOF-worthy performances, just in different ways.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's not what I said. Please stop lying just because you have no other way of winning a point.

Given that your comment about "ridiculous" was nothing that anybody said in context of actually comparing the players, either you failed to comprehend what you read or you made a mistake putting that part in. I was giving you credit and assuming that the "ridiculous" part was placed there in error. Since you are now defending that portion of the original post, it must have been the reading comprehension. My apologies. You weren't saying that it was ridiculous to think Brady is better than Manning, you simply failed comprehension.

 

[patsox23]

This is truly pathetic. Honestly, deus, you're getting killed on here lately and this kind of disingenuous spin is genuinely HUMILIATING for you. Do yourself a favor - ssh...

 

[Water Boy]

How many games does Manning have to gas-pipe before you stop looking for excuses.

How many more Super Bowls must the Colts win before you admit he's a better QB?

The defense he "disected" was filled with 2nd and 3rd string players due to illness/injury. There were also multiple 'questionable' calls (Think pass interference) that went in Indianapolis' favor. That, too, is a cold hard fact.

Look at the throws he made in that game. If the tables were turned and it was Brady who won that game, I don't think you'd be talking about questionable calls and 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is truly pathetic. Honestly, deus, you're getting killed on here lately and this kind of disingenuous spin is genuinely HUMILIATING for you. Do yourself a favor - ssh...

Go re-read the posts you were referring to. Have someone else explain them to you if necessary.

 

[Deus Irae]

How many more Super Bowls must the Colts win before you admit he's a better QB?

Start with 2 and we'll go from there.

Look at the throws he made in that game. If the tables were turned and it was Brady who won that game, I don't think you'd be talking about questionable calls and 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Let's be realistic here. New England had a chance to win even with all the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the lineu, and even with all the bad calls. Now, had New England won the game, say on a last drive, this game wouldn't have been the fault of Manning. However, that doesn't change the truth of how the Colts won the game. The Patriots defense collapsed.

 

[Water Boy]

Let's be realistic here. New England had a chance to win even with all the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the lineu, and even with all the bad calls. Now, had New England won the game, say on a last drive, this game wouldn't have been the fault of Manning. However, that doesn't change the truth of how the Colts won the game. The Patriots defense collapsed.

Dues, watch that game again. Instead of throwing Eric Alexander under the bus, look at the friggin unbelievable throws Manning made time and time again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dues, watch that game again. Instead of throwing Eric Alexander under the bus, look at the friggin unbelievable throws Manning made time and time again.

Manning won the Super Bowl throwing to Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne against a JV defense. Brady came within one first down, one bad call called correctly or a couple of decent defensive plays away from getting to the Super Bowl with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney against the best Indianapolis had to offer.

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus at all. It was a 2 team (and, allegedly, 1 stadium thermometer) effort that gave Indianapolis the win. However, that doesn't mean that Manning beating the Patriots' J.V. defense somehow makes Manning a better quarterback than Brady or is going to impress me more than what Brady did all last season, including the playoffs.

 

[Water Boy]

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus at all. It was a 2 team (and, allegedly, 1 stadium thermometer) effort that gave Indianapolis the win. However, that doesn't mean that Manning beating the Patriots' J.V. defense somehow makes Manning a better quarterback than Brady or is going to impress me more than what Brady did all last season, including the playoffs.

Beating a depleted NE secondary doesn't make Manning a better QB. Making incredible throws in an AFC championship game does.

 

[Deus Irae]

Beating a depleted NE secondary doesn't make Manning a better QB. Making incredible throws in an AFC championship game does.

He made the throws against the JVs. I can make amazing passes against college basketball players. I know this because I have. The guys in the NBA would be turning me over every 4th or 5th pass and prevent me from making any truly 'amazing' passes. I know this because they have.