VrabelJr
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I'm sick of having all midgets in the team. We need to take a different approach and get some longer guys in.
Don't want:
Boyce
Wheaton
Goodwin
Bailey
Hamilton
LIKE:
Patterson
Allen
Da'Rick Rogers
Justin Hunter
Robert Woods
Aaron Dobson
T Williams
DeAndre Hopkins
Like:
Good WRs.
Don't Like:
Bad Ones.
Couldn't give a Castlemaine about how tall they are. Can they run routes? Can they gain separation? Are they intelligent enough to understand the system? Can they catch? That's what we should be worrying about, not whether they need a stool to stand on when changing a lightbulb. We have tall receivers, they're called Tight Ends.
You seem to be all over Wheaton, he doesn't seem special in any way at all. Care to enlighten me?
My answer is that he was clearly one of the best athletes at the combine at WR, has good hands, good character and is said to be a good route runner.You seem to be all over Wheaton, he doesn't seem special in any way at all. Care to enlighten me?
who are we the raiders?My answer is that he was clearly one of the best athletes at the combine at WR, has good hands, good character and is said to be a good route runner.
Look at the combine numbers :
2013 NFL Combine Results: Wide Receivers | Steelers Depot
One of the best 3 cones and 40s. The third best Shuttle (only 1/100th behind Tavon Austin). With 20 reps he also was one of the strongest WR despite his slight size. Excluding Austin because he'll be gone the only other WR who had as good a combine are Boyce, Moe and Rogers (who interests me but getting kicked off Tennessee pushes him down far enough for me that I think he'll be gone). Wheaton isn't just a combine freak, though, he had 76 catches two years ago and 91 last year.
Got a problem with great character, good routes and 167 catches in two seasons ?who are we the raiders?
who are we the raiders?
There are some very important measurables when it comes to how the Patriots grade receivers and the 40 time, 3-cone and to a lesser degree vertical jump/short-shuttle. We don't draft receivers without a good 3-cone (at least in the past). Justin Hunter has the worst 3-cone of any WR at the combine so unless BB is changing his approach, Hunter will not be a Patriot I'm afraid.
It's a small sample size. Since Branch we've only taken two WR higher than the 3rd round. I get that those two were complete (Chad Jackson) and moderate (Bethel Johnson) busts and the two #3s (Price and Tate) were busts also but we're talking about late #1 picks here, a different category of quality than every WR listed other than Jackson.Remind me of our record when it comes to drafting receivers again?
Remind me of our record when it comes to drafting receivers again?
A change of philosophy is needed imo.
Wide receivers are overvalued for one basic reason: they simply do not touch the ball enough to justify big money or high draft picks.
Numbers fluctuate until officials come out but Allen supposedly ran a 4.7 (ick) his first time and a 4.45 (nice) his second. Wonder if he had a bad start the first time and what the official numbers will be.Keenan Allen might be a target in the first or early 2nd with a trade back, has the size and speed to be a #1 outside receiver.
Mayock also said he was told by scouts that Allen plays at a 4.55 or so range on tape and he doesn't seem very concerned about the lack of a great 40 time. So I doubt other teams are either. He was never a burner to begin with but he does a lot things well for his size and athleticism. He's also a physical mismatch all over the formation. Its been stated many times already but he really does remind me of a Miles Austin type athlete.Numbers fluctuate until officials come out but Allen supposedly ran a 4.7 (ick) his first time and a 4.45 (nice) his second. Wonder if he had a bad start the first time and what the official numbers will be.
Edit : Evidently Mike Mayock timed him at 4.71 and 4.75.
Oy.
There are some very important measurables when it comes to how the Patriots grade receivers and the 40 time, 3-cone and to a lesser degree vertical jump/short-shuttle. We don't draft receivers without a good 3-cone (at least in the past). Justin Hunter has the worst 3-cone of any WR at the combine so unless BB is changing his approach, Hunter will not be a Patriot I'm afraid.