Can Brady hit 50? and I don't mean Vrabel...

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

50 what?

Supermodels? Probably.

TD passes in a season? Doubtful.

Regards,
Chris

 

[stinkypete]

I think 30-35 is reasonable.

 

[workhorse]

The TDs in bold, notice the teams....junk secondary's...

* Harrison, Wayne, and Stokely each had 10 TD catches that year...another "gag" record...Plus Manning just avg 3.0625 TDs a Game. 5 games of 2 TDS, 1 game of 1TD and the last was an egg against the donkeys, you might say hey, he threw six on thanksgiving day, but against the Lions come on?....plus the 3 - 5TD and 2 - 4TD games avg out with the 7 low ones.

So who's not to say that Moss, Stallworth, and Welker (or Insert list here of WRs) will not accomplish the same feat?

......and hold on to your hats but dare I add Marino's record of 5,084 yards in a season? that might be a bit much to hope for, but It would be cool to see 2 records go down in one season, this of course can only happen if the majority of the offensive line, Brady, and receiving core stay healthy threw out the season. JMO

Your thoughts....


PD.

Two things. First, Peyton threw 2 passes in the Broncos' game, so that game doesn't even count. Second, against the Lions, those 5 TDs came in three quarters.

 

[Michigan Dave]

No.

30 is a possibility.

 

[skri65]

No, he won't. Maroney will take enough of those, and unless our offensive philosophy (both for the offense alone and its role on the team) doesn't run up the TD's like that. 30 is reasonable

 

[c_nice_37]

Too many new receivers - regardless of their past glory - will make this an impossible feat.

 

[bishbash]

50 what?

Playing at 50?!

 

[patsfan55]

Re: Can Brady hit 50? and I don't mean Vrable...

Maybe in Madden.

i aready did it :rocker:

 

[Ring 6]

You are talking about the most prolific passing game in history. Very unlikely that happens attached to one of the best defenses in the NFL.
Its unlikely we will put up record breaking offensive stats, even if we had the best offense ever, because offensive stats are predicated on what your defense does (just as defensive stats are predicated on offensive time of possession and success).

As long as BB is HC of NEP we will be strong on defense, and up until now, BBs philosophy has been to protect safe leads rather than risk losing then by being aggressive to extend them.

One thing I will consider a small possibility is that behind the restructuring of the team this off-season could be a desire to have an offense that can do just what BB has not done in the past, go for the throat by being aggressive on offense with a lead.

The best team I ever saw at that (while still maintaining some balance) was Parcells 1998 Jet team. Just when they got you in the position to think they are going to run it down your throat to protect a lead, they would play action and throw the ball down the field. BB was DC on that team. I can certainly see trying to create that being a thought after the way last season ended.

Most likely, you will see Brady throw a bit more than normal, be more successful per pass attempt, and probably tend to throw more in the red zone than in years past.

I'm thinking somewhere around 4300 yards and 35 TD passes.
If we are doing that we are winning at least as many games if not more than in the vision where Brady is throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TDs.

 

[Rob0729]

No way. One of the reasons that Manning holds the record for most TDs in a single season is because because his defenses wasn't all that good.

In 2004, the Colts were 1st in ponts scored and 19th in points allowed. And this is when they were facing teams who abandoned the running game and got very one dimensional because they had to keep up.

The Pats defense should be one of the top defenses in the league. That means that Belichick will not allow the offense to air it out in a lot of cases. If you can consistently hold opponents to the 10-14 point range, you are only asking for trouble airing it out in most situations unless you are the 1999 or 2001 Rams where most of the games are inside (I think 12 of their games in 2001 were in domes).

Also, after our by in mid November, all of our games are played in the Northeast. It might not snow, but it will most likely be cold in windy. Our schedule starting November 18th is at Buffalo, Philly, at Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Jets, Miami, and at Giants. So the last month of the season, we play in two of the windiest stadiums - Gillette and the Meadowlands. I think that will seriously cut into Brady's TD numbers.

 

[He Ban Me]

Ok, I will put this to the board for dissection:

With our plethora of newly stocked receiving core what are the possibilities of #12 throwing 50 TDs this season to top Laser-rocket-arm commercial-boy? Now before you start to think I am driving the Homer bus out of Foxboro, In all realm of possibility?

Here is Satan Manning's 2004 TD week breakdown:

1 @ New England Patriots.....2TDs
2 @ Tennessee Titans.........2TDs
3 Green Bay Packers.......5TDs
4 @ Jacksonville Jaguars......2TDs
5 Oakland Raiders............3TDs
6 Jacksonville Jaguars......3TDs
7 @ Kansas City Chiefs.......5TDs
8 Minnesota Vikings........4TDs
9 Houston Texans..........5TDs
10 @ Chicago Bears............4TDs
11 @ Detroit Lions..............6TDs
12 Tennessee Titans........3TDs
13 @ Houston Texans.........2TDs
14 Baltimore Ravens.........1TDs
15 San Diego Chargers.....2TDs
16 Denver Broncos..........0TDs

The TDs in bold, notice the teams....junk secondary's...

* Harrison, Wayne, and Stokely each had 10 TD catches that year...another "gag" record...Plus Manning just avg 3.0625 TDs a Game. 5 games of 2 TDS, 1 game of 1TD and the last was an egg against the donkeys, you might say hey, he threw six on thanksgiving day, but against the Lions come on?....plus the 3 - 5TD and 2 - 4TD games avg out with the 7 low ones.

So who's not to say that Moss, Stallworth, and Welker (or Insert list here of WRs) will not accomplish the same feat?

......and hold on to your hats but dare I add Marino's record of 5,084 yards in a season? that might be a bit much to hope for, but It would be cool to see 2 records go down in one season, this of course can only happen if the majority of the offensive line, Brady, and receiving core stay healthy threw out the season. JMO

Your thoughts....


PD.

Haven't read every post in this shocking NE thread, but Laser took perhaps a SINGLE SNAP in the DONKS game, sparky:
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2004-17-ind-den

But, here's what he did to them the following week:
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2004-post-wc-den-ind

27-33 for 457 and 4 td's, + a rushing td.

funny, stat boy gets laid to waste by NE fan, yet NE fan wonders if TB can break the record

Interested to see how many of your NE bretheren throw you under the bus.

 

[He Ban Me]

Re: Can Brady hit 50? and I don't mean Vrable...

I've seen the Colts up on Houston by 20, at home, with 5 minutes left in the game and Manning is still throwing homerun bombs. You can call it running up the score, you can simply call it running the offense. Whatever you call it, it is not something the Patriots do.

If the season goes the way we all hope, there is no need for Brady to have close to 50 TDs. And while we have upgraded our WRs remarkably this offseason, let's not now pretend it is the best group in NFL history and that records will surley fall.

Is that the game where Houston still had their starters in, were calling TO's, and blitzing (or something to that effect?)

Actually, I checked it out, not too many games where that was even a possibility, could you reference the game?

 

[DarrylS]

If this team wins 13 or 14 regular season games, do not care how many TD's he throws.. 50 is a pretty unrealistic figure and something that might be important to Payton and the Colts, but not for this franchise.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I note how many teams are slated for 4, 5, and 6 TD outbursts. Come on. It's not terribly rare for TB to throw for 3, but it is pretty special when he hits 4. That's because the Pats run a balanced attack. I think he is now capable of hitting the numbers you suggest, but I don't think it is the way they're spend their offensive clock-minutes.

PFnV

 

[BAM!]

Ok, I will put this to the board for dissection:

With our plethora of newly stocked receiving core what are the possibilities of #12 throwing 50 TDs this season to top Laser-rocket-arm commercial-boy? Now before you start to think I am driving the Homer bus out of Foxboro, In all realm of possibility?

Here is Satan Manning's 2004 TD week breakdown:

1 @ New England Patriots.....2TDs
2 @ Tennessee Titans.........2TDs
3 Green Bay Packers.......5TDs
4 @ Jacksonville Jaguars......2TDs
5 Oakland Raiders............3TDs
6 Jacksonville Jaguars......3TDs
7 @ Kansas City Chiefs.......5TDs
8 Minnesota Vikings........4TDs
9 Houston Texans..........5TDs
10 @ Chicago Bears............4TDs
11 @ Detroit Lions..............6TDs
12 Tennessee Titans........3TDs
13 @ Houston Texans.........2TDs
14 Baltimore Ravens.........1TDs
15 San Diego Chargers.....2TDs
16 Denver Broncos..........0TDs

The TDs in bold, notice the teams....junk secondary's...

* Harrison, Wayne, and Stokely each had 10 TD catches that year...another "gag" record...Plus Manning just avg 3.0625 TDs a Game. 5 games of 2 TDS, 1 game of 1TD and the last was an egg against the donkeys, you might say hey, he threw six on thanksgiving day, but against the Lions come on?....plus the 3 - 5TD and 2 - 4TD games avg out with the 7 low ones.

So who's not to say that Moss, Stallworth, and Welker (or Insert list here of WRs) will not accomplish the same feat?

......and hold on to your hats but dare I add Marino's record of 5,084 yards in a season? that might be a bit much to hope for, but It would be cool to see 2 records go down in one season, this of course can only happen if the majority of the offensive line, Brady, and receiving core stay healthy threw out the season. JMO

Your thoughts....


PD.

I doubt it.

I don't think that McDaniels will have Brady throw that much nor will we continue to throw if we are up by 17 ore more. We are more about controlling the clock then just racking up points keeping these type of stats down.

Besides, when was the last time Brady threw for 5 TD's in one game? Just because we have Moss and Stallworth as our deep threats doesn't mean squat right now. I know it's fun to speculate but really, it's a record for a reason and the Pats philosophy just doesn't equate to record numbers (other than # of wins in a row )

 

[Fixit]

Man, the offseason is way too long.

I eagerly anticipate the "Can Maroney Run for 2,500 Yards?" thread.

 

[bradmahn]

Man, the offseason is way too long.

I eagerly anticipate the "Can Maroney Run for 2,500 Yards?" thread.

In a word; NO.

He is going to get 35 TDs, though, and break LdT's record.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Brady CAN break Manning's record - we just hope he doesn't need to in order to win games

We don't give a crap about records like this around here. We'd prefer to see the offense build a good lead and then put the ball in the hands of the RBs to grind out the clock.

Every game. If Brady's throwing 5 TDs in a game its probably because we're in a shootout and we know our Defense is better than that.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

By even asking that question, you're giving status to a record that may be an accomplishment but it's inflated. If I remember correctly, Manning got his ass handed to him during the playoffs. :lol:

 

[PatrioticDynasty]

Haven't read every post in this shocking NE thread, but Laser took perhaps a SINGLE SNAP in the DONKS game, sparky:
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2004-17-ind-den

But, here's what he did to them the following week:
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2004-post-wc-den-ind

27-33 for 457 and 4 td's, + a rushing td.

funny, stat boy gets laid to waste by NE fan, yet NE fan wonders if TB can break the record

Interested to see how many of your NE bretheren throw you under the bus.

Hey man, I just posted it for some discussion, I never came out and said oh yah! mannings record is going down!........ aaah no.

so from what I gathered from you all colectively is this:

The record thing is an Indy thing, and not our style.....I agree whole heartedly

One poster made the suggestion that they may go for the throat now to finish games, especially after the way last years AFCCG endded......I would say that seems like an interesting point, especially with the talent we have acruued to date, but I; as well as others don't feel that BB will do that late in games, don't get me wrong, if they load up the box on 3rd dows to stop us and get the ball back, well hell if the oportunity is there then yes, he may opt to stretch the field but I belive this will most likely pertain to field position and only if we are probably across the other teams 50 or so.

And No I won't start the how many 100 yard games will maroney have thread......not what I was going for here.........The topic just crossed my mind late one night and I did some research on it, and possed the question. big deal.......Tom Brady has never thrown more than 28 TDs in a season, and the majority of the PMB faithful seem to agree around 32 to 35 TDs, Put me down for closer to 40, probably 38.

Another poster had a good point about the latter half of our schedual being in windy or poor condition, and another as well pointed out how these guys are green to our sysytem which will take some time, another noted that if that were the case we would be probably be a #1 seed and BB would rest up some players toward the end of the season, unlike the dolts did....all valid points that should be taken strongly into consideration when looking at the thred topic.

In conclusion: I would like to point out that I wanted to reference a lot of your responses and give credit to where it's due, but I'm at work and short for time (unlike this response)

Realistically, if Brady throws 35TDs or more this season we probably would be a 1st round bye for the playoffs.....

And for that one reply: oh and I myself can't wait for the season to start, no harm in talking about what would be cool to see, I never stated that 50 will happen, I just don't want to see Satan Manning with that one record.

Nuff said.

PD.