BSJ article: NE offense in 2020 was similar to 2019

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Interesting article for what it’s worth. It’s conclusions aren’t anything earth shattering. We already know the defense last year was much better than it was this year and it made the rest of the team look much better than they really were.

 

[XLIX]

They try to use ridiculous metrics to demonstrate a ridiculous point. The first table tells you all you need to know: NE was 7th in scoring last year and this year they are 27th. They scored 6 fewer points per game in a season where overall offense is up across the board (in fact, the League will likely set an all time PPG record tomorrow).

How they twist and contort that fact into the 2 offenses being similar to each other is absurd.

 

[sb1]

They try to use ridiculous metrics to demonstrate a ridiculous point. The first table tells you all you need to know: NE was 7th in scoring last year and this year they are 27th. They scored 6 fewer points per game in a season in a game where overall offense is up across the board (in fact, the League will likely set an all time PPG record tomorrow).

How they twist and contort that fact into the 2 offenses being similar to each other is absurd.

Yeah. They call out the eye test and that’s good enough for me. Brady at his worst never looked anything like Cam did this year throwing a football.

Other teams also weren’t using goal line defense against us all over the field last year. That’s embarrassing to watch.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Exactly. Same bad offense even with the GOAT QB Tom Brady. Same bad playcalling. Same lack of development. Same lack of caring about TEs. Ineptitude at WR.

We need a NEW offensive coordinator.

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[DropKickFlutie]

They try to use ridiculous metrics to demonstrate a ridiculous point. The first table tells you all you need to know: NE was 7th in scoring last year and this year they are 27th. They scored 6 fewer points per game in a season where overall offense is up across the board (in fact, the League will likely set an all time PPG record tomorrow).

How they twist and contort that fact into the 2 offenses being similar to each other is absurd.

Actually it's true. Last year the defense and special teams scored a bunch of points for us . And last year the last 9 games only averaged 17.6 points per game...

 

[jah]

Most people who make this comparison are very specifically comparing 2020 to the post-bye stretch of 2019 rather than 2019 as a whole, and I don't think it's cherry picking. The team fell off the cliff in the middle of last season and never recovered, so it's disingenuous when people frame it as a mysterious sudden turn for the worst that only happened recently.

I can't speak to what this specific article is saying because I'll never oblige a paywall, so all of this is more general in scope and draws more from what posts I've seen here.

 

[Ring 6]

They try to use ridiculous metrics to demonstrate a ridiculous point. The first table tells you all you need to know: NE was 7th in scoring last year and this year they are 27th. They scored 6 fewer points per game in a season where overall offense is up across the board (in fact, the League will likely set an all time PPG record tomorrow).

How they twist and contort that fact into the 2 offenses being similar to each other is absurd.

Agree. Horrible article written by a guy who doesn’t understand the numbers he is reading or the game he is watching.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Most people who make this comparison are very specifically comparing 2020 to the post-bye stretch of 2019 rather than 2019 as a whole, and I don't think it's cherry picking. The team fell off the cliff in the middle of last season and never recovered, so it's disingenous when people frame it as a mysterious sudden turn for the worst that only happened recently.

I can't speak to what this specific article is saying because I'll never oblige a paywall, so all of this is more general in scope and draws more from what posts I've seen here.

This year we have Damien Harris who we didn't have last year

Plus a 2nd year Meyers and Byrd

As where last year was an injured Edelman that led the league in drops and rookie Harry who started up halfway through the year

Not to mention passing numbers are up this year, so this year's offense is worse

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Most people who make this comparison are very specifically comparing 2020 to the post-bye stretch of 2019 rather than 2019 as a whole, and I don't think it's cherry picking. The team fell off the cliff in the middle of last season and never recovered, so it's disingenous when people frame it as a mysterious sudden turn for the worst that only happened recently.

I can't speak to what this specific article is saying because I'll never oblige a paywall, so all of this is more general in scope and draws more from what posts I've seen here.

17.6 points per game the last 9 weeks of 2019. So excuse makers trying to pin this on Cam, the offense had issues last year with the GOAT QB. It's been 2 years of a bad offense and we need a new offensive coordinator.

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[luuked]

Yeah. They call out the eye test and that’s good enough for me. Brady at his worst never looked anything like Cam did this year throwing a football.

Other teams also weren’t using goal line defense against us all over the field last year. That’s embarrassing to watch.

It really doesn't matter if Brady threw a sexier ball or not. What it boils down to is that the 2019 and 2020 offense were in the same tier of efficiency. The main difference is one was with a QB asking for 25M and while the other played for somewhere between 4-5M when all is said and done.

 

[sb1]

It really doesn't matter if Brady threw a sexier ball or not. What it boils down to is that the 2019 and 2020 offense were in the same tier of efficiency. The main difference is one was with a QB asking for 25M and while the other played for somewhere between 4-5M when all is said and done.

One guy threw like an NFL quarterback and the other throws like he’s in the shotput event at the Olympics and it seems his backup won’t give them any better of a chance of a competent passing game that can win football games.

 

[luuked]

One guy threw like an NFL quarterback and the other throws like he’s in the shotput event at the Olympics and it seems his backup won’t give them any better of a chance of a competent passing game that can win football games.

And yet both offenses ended up in the same tier of efficiency. The bottomline is that both were not able to get it done. Yes, it is for wildly different reasons -- one being a perfectionist who wouldn't throw to people that were not in the right place, the other too inconsistent to sometimes even throw simple checkdowns -- but the bottomline was the same: a dysfunctional offense.

Only that we saved a lot of money and are after one year back in a position to build up instead of tearing down.

 

[BTTA]

I was an early subscriber to BSJ with the hopes that they'd rise above the usual Boston sports nonsense. I considered it on the same level as donating to a nonprofit for a cause - hoping some good would come of it.

They've done that for the Celts, Bruins, and sometimes the Sox, but the Pats coverage looks like someone's college age kid trying to do analytics for WEEI. It is very disappointing.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

It’s difficult to compare the 2 since last year’s defense was far superior. They got off the field faster and scored alot / created more turnovers, and we weren’t playing catchup as much. Other than the chargers and cardinals games it seems like we hardly gave the offense any help. Both offenses were awful lets put it at that. The cap situation didn’t allow us to make the upgrades needed this year, hopefully next year.

 

[RIpats88]

Cam newton threw 5 tds all years. Pretty sure if you started Edelman or jakobi meyers they could do the same.

The offense can be horrible AND cam can also be done.

 

[amfootball]

I am kind of done with all the comparisons. We are in the midst of a complete rebuild. Obvious to all of us at this point. How Bill let things get this bad, with the GOAT leaving and absolutely no succession plan at QB (we are starting from ground zero again next year) is mind blowing. For the foreseeable future we will be getting comparison after comparison of what we once were compared to how awful we are now. Painful.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Somewhat disengenous. The 2019 offense leading rusher had 3.7 YPC. This season Harris & Michel are combining for 5.3 YPC. This isn't some Cam phenomenon either as the run game worked with Hoyer against the Chiefs. Wynn was out the majority of the season, Mason was injured & Cannon was toast. On top of that Edelman was ineffective the second half of the season.

Cam has had a lot of time in the pocket on his sacks. Brady would have an elite run game here & time to throw. Meyers is an upgrade over 2019 Edelman & Byrd is better than Sanu.

I think this offense with Brady would be more like 2013 (without Gronk) than 2019. Not great by any stretch but there would be a run game, a pretty good PA passing game & Meyers would be targeted like Edelman. Considering he has a 72% catch rate with Cam & has gotten open this season that offense would be decent.

 

[RIpats88]

I am kind of done with all the comparisons. We are in the midst of a complete rebuild. Obvious to all of us at this point. How Bill let things get this bad, with the GOAT leaving and absolutely no succession plan at QB (we are starting from ground zero again next year) is mind blowing. For the foreseeable future we will be getting comparison after comparison of what we once were compared to how awful we are now. Painful.

It's almost like Bill gave up once they traded Jimmy G. Never drafted another QB high. After they shipped Jimmy to San Fran they should've drafted another prospect in the first 2 rounds

 

[amfootball]

It's almost like Bill gave up once they traded Jimmy G. Never drafted another QB high. After they shipped Jimmy to San Fran they should've drafted another prospect in the first 2 rounds

Nothing for 3 years except Danny Etling and Stidham. Just stunning. We got nothing.

 

[RIpats88]

Nothing for 3 years except Danny Etling and Stidham. Just stunning. We got nothing.

And not only did Bill not decide to draft anyone to plan for the possibility of Brady leaving/retiring he also gave Brady 1 year incentive deals to show he's not in bills longterm plans essentially pushing him out

both moves don't make any sense put together.