Brian Hoyer's value

[VrabelJr]

Everyone on this board seems to still have Matt Cassel fever. Sure, we were able to trade Matt Cassel for a 2nd, but we had to throw Mike Vrabel in, too. Brian Hoyer is worth more to this team at $1-$2MM per year than he is to any other team in the NFL.

 

[jeffbiologist]

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Not looking for POINTS. I make them myself. Maybe you should be going to church on Sundays instead of watching football, show intelligent objective fans your mercy, LMAO.

 

[everlong]

Everyone on this board seems to still have Matt Cassel fever. Sure, we were able to trade Matt Cassel for a 2nd, but we had to throw Mike Vrabel in, too. Brian Hoyer is worth more to this team at $1-$2MM per year than he is to any other team in the NFL.

But nobody is using Cassel as a comp. We're all using Charlie Whitehurst. He may indeed have more value to the Pats if Mallet isn't ready but I still think they can get mid third round value for him. Even nationally it's been discussed that he has value.

 

[Metaphors]

But nobody is using Cassel as a comp. We're all using Charlie Whitehurst. He may indeed have more value to the Pats if Mallet isn't ready but I still think they can get mid third round value for him. Even nationally it's been discussed that he has value.

That is reasonable in the hypothetical, but which team do you see giving up a 3rd round pick to get Hoyer? There are a handful of teams that might be possible, but the supply of RG3, Manning and Flynn should take care of 3 teams. I only see MIA, SEA and WAS as desperately pursuing a QB. It is reasonable to assume that 2 will sign Manning/Flynn and the other will trade up for RG3.

ARZ, CIN, CLE, DEN, JAX, KC, MIN and SF may not be overly satisfied with their QB situations, but would they really want to pitch Hoyer as a legitimate upgrade over what they already have? All have invested significant resources into their current QBs. Dumping another 3rd round pick to get an unproven former UDFA doesn't seem likely to happen.

 

[VrabelJr]

Everyone on this board seems to feel like Hoyer is worth a 2nd. So why would we give him up for a 3rd? Backup QBs are worth more than you realize. Hello, Colts.

 

[Lamanai]

Given the Pats abundance of high picks this year, I would "settle" for a 2013 2nd.

Or possibly a pair of lower picks, like a 5th this year and a 3rd next.

In the end, I think he'll stay a Patriot at the 2nd round tender level.

 

[everlong]

That is reasonable in the hypothetical, but which team do you see giving up a 3rd round pick to get Hoyer? There are a handful of teams that might be possible, but the supply of RG3, Manning and Flynn should take care of 3 teams. I only see MIA, SEA and WAS as desperately pursuing a QB. It is reasonable to assume that 2 will sign Manning/Flynn and the other will trade up for RG3.

ARZ, CIN, CLE, DEN, JAX, KC, MIN and SF may not be overly satisfied with their QB situations, but would they really want to pitch Hoyer as a legitimate upgrade over what they already have? All have invested significant resources into their current QBs. Dumping another 3rd round pick to get an unproven former UDFA doesn't seem likely to happen.

I think Washington is the most likely. Seattle second. I don't think Miami will go with Moore and Henne. I don't think Manning will go to the NFC East. I don't see any of your secondary teams being in the Hoyer market so admittedly it's a small amount of teams in play.

 

[Sciz]

Greg Bedard thinks more highly of Hoyer than most people here:

Even if the Patriots tender him at the highest level (a first-round pick in return if he signs with another club), he could generate interest. But the Patriots love him.

Grading the Patriots players in the 2011 season - The Boston Globe

 

[everlong]

Everyone on this board seems to feel like Hoyer is worth a 2nd. So why would we give him up for a 3rd? Backup QBs are worth more than you realize. Hello, Colts.

Everybody thinks he's worth a second rounder tender. You only give him up for a third if you think your third string QB is ready to be the second. Third round is the assigned value we've been assigning him based on comps. If Mallet's not ready then this discussion was just a fun exercise.

 

[everlong]

Greg Bedard thinks more highly of Hoyer than most people here:

Grading the Patriots players in the 2011 season - The Boston Globe

Very interesting. If they put the first on him it would have to be a trade.

 

[Metaphors]

I think Washington is the most likely. Seattle second. I don't think Miami will go with Moore and Henne. I don't think Manning will go to the NFC East. I don't see any of your secondary teams being in the Hoyer market so admittedly it's a small amount of teams in play.

You are on to the only scenario I see as viable wrt Hoyer being traded. If one of MIA/WAS/SEA miss out on the RG3/Flynn/Manning derby, then Hoyer is in play for their plan B.

The problem with this scenario is that Ross/Snyder/Allen are likely willing to outbid everyone to get what they want. It will be interesting to see if Manning and/or Flynn go to a surprise team. If that happens, the offseason will get very interesting very quickly.

 

[Off The Grid]

Everyone on this board seems to still have Matt Cassel fever.

Everyone on this board seems to feel like Hoyer is worth a 2nd.

Only in your fevered imagination are either of those statements true, my friend.

Please extend us the most BASIC courtesy of not LYING about what the rest of us have said.

Statements that begin with "Everyone" are usually false, and yours are dramatically so.

Nobody appreciates your fire and brimstone more than I, but I just wish you'd direct it more acurately.

 

[Off The Grid]

If Mallet's not ready then this discussion was just a fun exercise.

Heh!! Not for ME!!

Trade'm BOTH, I say!!

There are a NUMBER of projected 7th Rounders and UFA's that interest me...

Kellen Moore, above ALL.

If we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Mallett and Hoyer, I'd be ECSTATIC!! :rocker:

 

[manxman2601]

Heh!! Not for ME!!

Trade'm BOTH, I say!!

There are a NUMBER of projected 7th Rounders and UFA's that interest me...

Kellen Moore, above ALL.

If we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Mallett and Hoyer, I'd be ECSTATIC!! :rocker:

The only QB I'd realistically take in this draft is Kirk Cousins. Should be a reliable backup for a team for years with game manager starter potential.

 

[Wilfork#75]

The only QB I'd realistically take in this draft is Kirk Cousins. Should be a reliable backup for a team for years with game manager starter potential.

Yeah, I have no interest in this years QB class at all. I'd maybe look at an UDFA like Chris Relf who has a bunch of tools but needs development, but I wouldn't draft anyone.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Heh!! Not for ME!!

Trade'm BOTH, I say!!

There are a NUMBER of projected 7th Rounders and UFA's that interest me...

Kellen Moore, above ALL.

If we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Mallett and Hoyer, I'd be ECSTATIC!! :rocker:

I'd love to trade them both as well but I just dont feel the love for Moore, how much would it cost us to pry Stanzi from KC?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'd love to trade them both as well but I just dont feel the love for Moore, how much would it cost us to pry Stanzi from KC?

About the only way I could see that working is some sort of Hoyer-for-Stanzi trade.

 

[LloydBraun]

I expect a Hoyer deal. A QB starved team will offer a 3&4 & itis done.

 

[VrabelJr]

Only in your fevered imagination are either of those statements true, my friend.

Please extend us the most BASIC courtesy of not LYING about what the rest of us have said.

Statements that begin with "Everyone" are usually false, and yours are dramatically so.

Nobody appreciates your fire and brimstone more than I, but I just wish you'd direct it more acurately.

That is nitpicking. I stand corrected: 92.3%. The point I'm trying to drive home is Hoyer will not get anything better than a 4th and if it's just a 4th he's more valuable being a back up for at least another year or two.

 

[Off The Grid]

I stand corrected: 92.3%.

If I took less than a second to calculate that's exactly 12 of 13, does that make me a Geek??