Patriots Player Departure BREAKING: Joe Milton traded to Dallas

[ctpatsfan77]

Vrabel had better be right about Maye.

Milton takes that Cowboys job by the end of 2026, book it.

And in all likelihood loses it by the end of 2027.

 

[Salsalife]

Awful...imagine the Vrabel draft with a judgement like this...Ask yourself, Maye unfortunately gets hurt, who are you putting in. Dobbs or Milton? Dobbs has a qb rating of 37.4...ugh

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Frankly they would have been much better off keeping him as the back up. Not paying Dobbs his contract and having the cash to throw around, but maybe because they already paid the money they felt the need to make a move? Keep in mind they had Milton for 1M, 1.2M and 1.4M the next 3 years.... Dobbs cost them 2.9 and 4.75

Milton never "won" the QB2 competition; he was QB3 behind Brissett even in Week 17.

And, in any case, there is no way on earth that their QB room should consist solely of second-year QBs whose rookie year was marred by Mayo. Even (especially) if they kept Milton, they needed a veteran.

 

[TommyD4207]

because the last regime wanted to develop him to be a #2 QB.

This one has Dobbs and will likely use the pick to draft Vrabel's #3.
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This is certainly not a big deal to me. Vrabel probably wants a #3 QB, and he would rather choose his own. He secured an extra pick tjhat could do that (or use a 5th or 7th).

Also, it makes sense to add a 6th before the draft since we didn't have one.

We'll find out in 3 years if it continues to be a big deal to you.

In 3 years, it will be time to pick up Maye's 5th year option. Either he'll be great and have already have signed a long extension, or we'll be on the fence about picking up that option year, which would be disastrous.

Either Joe Milton will be a backup on yet another team, or he'll be the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys.

It's all about performance now - none of it is conjecture, or potential, or wishes and hopes and dreams anymore. That's what Vrabel did with this trade. He absolutely did not have to do it, even if Joe Milton thought he was the best QB that ever QB'd, he's still under a cheap contract for two more years.

It might not *feel* like a big deal, but Vrabel made Maye the unquestioned starter with no competition going forward with this deal. That *is* a big deal, when you have competition already on the roster for basically nothing.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Does not mean they had to give him away

I don't like the trade either, but if they felt he was going to get cut at least they got something. Its a joke that people are up in arms that we only got a late 5th and gave up a 7th. Let's call that a 6th net pick. Some estimate that 10% of 6th rounders and 5% of 7th rounders make final rosters. We didn't really give up or get anything. The new 5th round pick is like a lottery ticket. You need a ton of luck to hit on it.

 

[Steve102]

My only comparison between Brady & Milton is their desire to be a starter

You prefer a backup who is happy holding a clip board or as you call it. “Knows his place”!

With you at GM Brady would have been traded for not “knowing his place”

Take your trying to start and argument on Brady v Milton and my GM proclivities someplace else. Your the one that drew comparison. I never said ****. Have a nice night.

 

[TommyD4207]

I don't like the trade either, but if they felt he was going to get cut at least they got something. Its a joke that people are up in arms that we only got a late 5th and gave up a 7th. Let's call that a 6th net pick. Some estimate that 10% of 6th rounders and 5% of 7th rounders make final rosters. We didn't really give up or get anything. The new 5th round pick is like a lottery ticket. You need a ton of luck to hit on it.

Yeah, this isn't the 'we were overwhelmed by the return' trade.
This was the 'Get Milton off the roster" trade, and the "We don't need anyone else but Maye" trade.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Yeah, this isn't the 'we were overwhelmed by the return' trade.
This was the 'Get Milton off the roster" trade, and the "We don't need anyone else but Maye" trade.

If it was that, it removes the Zappe vs Mac circus that the fans created, many on this forum. I don't blame the team for doing it if that is the case.

 

[BobDigital]

Milton never "won" the QB2 competition; he was QB3 behind Brissett even in Week 17.

Sure. When i said back up i didn't mean to imply he was ahead of Brissett last year. Brissett has NFL starting experience in this league and a lot of it. I don't think I implied he won that job per say. Just that he was the perspective back up before Dobbs came here. But maybe that could be considered unfair as there was no competition for the job yet.

But clearly Dobbs was brought here to be the back up. You don't pay a 3rd string QB money like that.

The main thing i'm trying to get across is they messed this up on multiple levels and because they made one mistake potentially, they felt the need to make another.

 

[Steve102]

I disagree, unless they take someone with their last pick. Wasting draft capital on the QB position in this draft is insane.

7th round is probably right. I dunno about the last pick. They'll have a guy in mind.

 

[TommyD4207]

If it was that, it removes the Zappe vs Mac circus that the fans created, many on this forum. I don't blame the team for doing it if that is the case.

Was it a circus, though?

Or was it 'both QBs are garbage in their own way' I mean, I think the larger faction was 'It doesn't matter who the starter is, we're gonna suck anyway"

 

[TommyD4207]

7th round is probably right. I dunno about the last pick. They'll have a guy in mind.

Well their last pick 233 or whatever it is.

There are probably going to be 4-year college starters still on the board at that point. Maybe a McCord drops that far or something

 

[RobertWeathers]

No Vrabel is not wrong. I did not misunderstand what they said. I have called plays as an offensive coordinator for two seasons in a local league. You do not understand the differences between the systems.

Sorry but just because you've been an OC in a local rec league does not mean you know what system, scheme, language, etc they will be using.

Read the transcript of what Josh said and what Vrabel said earlier this year. Tell me where they say they are running the old NEP EP system.

Five Takeaways From Patriots OC Josh McDaniels and the Offensive Assistant's Media Availabilities

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[cupofjoe1962]

Take your trying to start and argument on Brady v Milton and my GM proclivities someplace else. Your the one that drew comparison. I never said ****. Have a nice night.

If I compared the two you shouldn’t have much of a problem reposting it.

I only compared the two, because they both wanted to be starters. I never compared their talent

You said a backup QB “needs to know his place”.

That indicates you would have traded Brady for challenging Bledsoe

Feel free to post my comparison of Brady & Milton…..

I won’t be holding my breath …..

 

[Ring 6]

i could see Vrabel saying "nah" to the giants... he was part of that '07 team...

If Mike Vrabel held a grudge against an organization because he lost to them he never would have progressed to where he is. Not to mention blaming the team that kicked your ass is just being a *****

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Not sure why people are so miffed that they passed on a "better offer" (probably a 4th) to send him to his preferred destination. Is it worse for the team? Marginally so, yes, but it also buys some good will for the front office. Players on the roster or who sign to the roster in the future will appreciate this, knowing that the team isn't conducting cutthroat business and always taking only the very best offer even if the player hates it.

I'll bet that offer was only marginally higher, say a mid-5th. If it were for a 4th, and both offers were at the same time, I can't imagine passing that up no matter what the reason. But Vrabel must have wanted him gone for some reason - otherwise we hang onto him at least till draft day in hopes of something happening. The Pats should have held a pro day for him and invited other teams' scouts for a fresh look.

Even though it was against the Bills' backups, it took talent for him to play like he did for that entire game. Something just doesn't make sense: arm talent, mobility, just turned 25, on a 6th round contract for 3 more years. amidst a weak QB class. That's gotta be worth a 4th or low 3rd, or a nice pick swap between 4th and 3rd. But all we got effectively was a high 6th.

 

[dliverey44]

Milton grew up a huge Cowboys fan ...

I think fans should be happy for him ....
Right now he backs up Dak if he shows ability of course.

I am very happy for the kid. I understand why they traded him, avoid a potential stressor in the QB room. To the people that think we were getting a higher pick please remember that Fields who was a much better prospect and actually had some success in the league vs actual starters was traded for a 6th.

 

[Pape]

If Mike Vrabel held a grudge against an organization because he lost to them he never would have progressed to where he is. Not to mention blaming the team that kicked your ass is just being a *****

Belichick waged a border war with the jete for decades... the Hatfields and McCoys waged war for 30 years...

and if punking the giants was given as a reason for taking less in trade compensation for a practice squad player, I'd be good with it

 

[imahobgoblin]

Sorry but just because you've been an OC in a local rec league does not mean you know what system, scheme, language, etc they will be using.

Read the transcript of what Josh said and what Vrabel said earlier this year. Tell me where they say they are running the old NEP EP system.

I said nothing about a rec league. You just made that crap up, but that is what board trash does to win arguments. But here is your absolute ignorance: I never said they are running the old NEP EP system. That is a second piece of crap you made up. I said they are running the EP system. I said nothing about the old NEP system under BB. The EP system is the EP system. It was around before BB or Josh. Yes, Josh's offense changes every year. He add things. He subtracts things. He changes languages. He incorporates thoughts and ideas from others, but what you don't get is that it is still all the same EP system. It is a concept based system that diagnosis the defense at the line of scrimmage adapting with concepts rather than routes. It uses single-word concepts rather than assigning roles to each player. It separates the concept from the formation, so regardless of the formation, each player runs the appropriate pattern based on the one word concept, and its all about communication. Josh is not changing any of that. Once Drake gets the concepts and language, he will take off because he is cerebral and gets football. Josh is not running a West Coast. He is not running the Coryell. He is running the EP and will morph it to meet the modern demands of the the NFL.

 

[Steve102]

You said a backup QB “needs to know his place”.

Wrong. Keep track of who you're fighting with, old man.