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I don't agree. The difference with Brady is there has never been an all-time great player whose success was credited so much to his coach and the "system." Some of it was warranted in the beginning because Brady was a 6th round pick but over 20 years the narrative was ridiculous and I would imagine nauseating to Brady. He was the GOAT QB prior to last year but that win in Tampa, in year one, on the road, beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes to boot did more for his personal legacy to separate him from Bill and the "Patriot Way" than any other championship IMO. It also completely flipped the national narrative about his career being a product of Bill.
Bill Russell likewise disproved the narrative that he was dependent on Auerbach after he led and coached the Celtics to two more titles.
 

amfootball

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As you say, the narrative is ridiculous, and indeed nauseating to me, like the narrative that the Patriots were a 'laughingstock' prior to Kraft's purchase, or that the Patriots ever cheated.

So if an athlete's legacy is defined by stupid, idiotic national media perception of him or her, then you're right.

If it's defined as I consider it, that is the body of work including on field accomplishments, then what Tom's done in Tampa can only augment it.

While we're on the subject, Bill Belichick's legacy is intact period. He's the only one who gave Brady a chance and then kept him on the roster and then kept him in there when the stupid, idiotic media, fans and even deluded teammates wanted the horrible Bledsoe back in there. And later when they trumpeted that Brady was done after the big Monday night loss in Kansas City.

I'm happy to see us win more titles, but whatever happens will have no more bearing on Coach's legacy than Vince Lombardi's record with the Redskins did on his.
I do think in time both will be remembered as the All Time greats as QB and HC and they will separate somewhat from each other too. The media is nauseating but that is the world we live in.
 

lancerman

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I don't agree. The difference with Brady is there has never been an all-time great player whose success was credited so much to his coach and the "system." Some of it was warranted in the beginning because Brady was a 6th round pick but over 20 years the narrative was ridiculous and I would imagine nauseating to Brady. He was the GOAT QB prior to last year but that win in Tampa, in year one, on the road, beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes to boot did more for his personal legacy to separate him from Bill and the "Patriot Way" than any other championship IMO. It also completely flipped the national narrative about his career being a product of Bill.
The Tampa win doesn’t cement his career, but it contextualizes it more. Brady was more than a cog in the system here and it wasn’t just genius Bill Belichick. Brady getting the starting job and success happening wasn’t a fluke coincidence.

It wasn’t better than any of his wins here, but it highlighted his greatness in all his wins in a way where it’s impossible to credibly second guess his efforts anymore because you finally took the variable into a new environment
 

amfootball

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It wasn’t better than any of his wins here, but it highlighted his greatness in all his wins in a way where it’s impossible to credibly second guess his efforts anymore because you finally took the variable into a new environment
I am not sure about that. He went to a new team at age 43 with no off-season, new conference and was a WC and went on the road and beat Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes (in a blowout). And he did it in year ONE. He also had 10 TDs to 3 picks in the post-season and was SB MVP. I am not sure how it is not his best post-season run when you take all those factors into account.

And I didn't even mention his 40 TD season - his most since 2007.
 

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The Tampa win doesn’t cement his career, but it contextualizes it more. Brady was more than a cog in the system here and it wasn’t just genius Bill Belichick. Brady getting the starting job and success happening wasn’t a fluke coincidence.

It wasn’t better than any of his wins here, but it highlighted his greatness in all his wins in a way where it’s impossible to credibly second guess his efforts anymore because you finally took the variable into a new environment
There has never been any credibility in second guessing Brady's efforts since he was in college.

It's always been just crap.

But you're right about the perception.
 

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The only season I’d put with Brady 2020, for writing a Hollywood script, is Brady 2016. Deflategate suspension and 28-3…not as surprising/challenging because that squad was so dominant but probably as dramatic and legacy-building.
 

amfootball

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The only season I’d put with Brady 2020, for writing a Hollywood script, is Brady 2016. Deflategate suspension and 28-3…not as surprising/challenging because that squad was so dominant but probably as dramatic and legacy-building.
28-3 was legendary. I am not sure anything ever tops that feat especially with no Gronk.

Season-wise it is 2020 but 2016 is also in its own category.
 

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Insane revisionist history here on 2020 Bucs. The talk all off-season was: who will have a better record, the Pats with Newton or Stidham and coached by Belichick or the Bucs with Brady and coached by assclown Arians.

The Bucs tape: two very physically talented receivers who aren’t disciplined and don’t run routes well, get a lot of yards free lancing and in garbage time. Bad offensive line. Defense has terrific front 7 but liability secondary makes them closer to average.

Justin Watson was the #3 receiver on opening day.

The Bucs did struggle to adjust on offense, and what they said about Arians had some truth, but they finally put it together. They also had injuries, losing arguably Brady’s favorite target in Howard. Evans and Godwin were hurt throughout the season.

There are probably about a dozen teams in the NFL that could be “a Super Team” with the right QB…and there’s so much bias about championship game performance. The defense is very solid but not the 85 Bears; they’ll hopefully be a top 5 overall unit next year. They got the Packers and Chiefs with devastating o-line injuries while returning Vea and being very lucky with health.
 

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The only season I’d put with Brady 2020, for writing a Hollywood script, is Brady 2016. Deflategate suspension and 28-3…not as surprising/challenging because that squad was so dominant but probably as dramatic and legacy-building.
28-3 was legendary. I am not sure anything ever tops that feat especially with no Gronk.

Season-wise it is 2020 but 2016 is also in its own category.
Wow.

For drama, emotional ups and downs, cliff hanging suspense and historic, franchise defining crucial decisions and big plays, it's hard for me to top 2001. The first Jets game - where the Tuck Rule was called for Testaverde and we lost - included a fan poll of what teams who lost on opening day might make the postseason. The Patriots weren't even on the list.

The seasons that ended wrong, 2007 for example, don't work for Hollywood. Gotta be a happy ending. Unless it's a disaster/tragedy, which gives us 1976, with '78 (Stingley) as an appropriate postscript.

Then, a close second for me is 2014. I brought a big old TV into work that night to see the Chiefs game. Amidst the unpleasant scoreboard, I liked what I saw with the LaFell and Gronk scores. It wasn't our night, but I was encouraged by our effort. All the doomsday nonsense about us and Brady was just based upon the scoreboard - but every season we won there was a big blowout loss earlier in the year - so I thought, okay, that's how we roll. We care about January and February.

The Ravens win was fun. And funny. And the ball manipulation utter nonsense was reminiscent of CryGate seven years previous. Only this time was literally nothing, not even a few guys doing nothing wrong in a location deemed unauthorized by the league. A repeat fake scandal. Before the game in Arizona, Tom Brady said, "I've never wanted to win a game so badly as I do this one." With most of the fans and everyone in the press box not from Boston rooting hard for the Seahawks, the game boiled down to crucial, clutch plays made down the stretch. The togetherness and communication displayed by our defense after Jerod Mayo went down was on full display, right up to simply the most dramatic [and for me, heroic] play in Super Bowl history. Malcolm Butler is and always will be a rock star folk hero forever, and Coach Belichick never was able to wrap his head around the fact that Malcolm is special. Benching Butler later against the Eagles for the entire game was Berry-like in its utter stupidity as benching Flutie in '88 was. It was title-killing. And it's the major factor in Tom's certainty mentally that he was gone. Credit Robert Kraft for convincing him to stay around to win one more Super Bowl.
 

amfootball

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Wow.

For drama, emotional ups and downs, cliff hanging suspense and historic, franchise defining crucial decisions and big plays, it's hard for me to top 2001. The first Jets game - where the Tuck Rule was called for Testaverde and we lost - included a fan poll of what teams who lost on opening day might make the postseason. The Patriots weren't even on the list.

The seasons that ended wrong, 2007 for example, don't work for Hollywood. Gotta be a happy ending. Unless it's a disaster/tragedy, which gives us 1976, with '78 (Stingley) as an appropriate postscript.

Then, a close second for me is 2014. I brought a big old TV into work that night to see the Chiefs game. Amidst the unpleasant scoreboard, I liked what I saw with the LaFell and Gronk scores. It wasn't our night, but I was encouraged by our effort. All the doomsday nonsense about us and Brady was just based upon the scoreboard - but every season we won there was a big blowout loss earlier in the year - so I thought, okay, that's how we roll. We care about January and February.

The Ravens win was fun. And funny. And the ball manipulation utter nonsense was reminiscent of CryGate seven years previous. Only this time was literally nothing, not even a few guys doing nothing wrong in a location deemed unauthorized by the league. A repeat fake scandal. Before the game in Arizona, Tom Brady said, "I've never wanted to win a game so badly as I do this one." With most of the fans and everyone in the press box not from Boston rooting hard for the Seahawks, the game boiled down to crucial, clutch plays made down the stretch. The togetherness and communication displayed by our defense after Jerod Mayo went down was on full display, right up to simply the most dramatic [and for me, heroic] play in Super Bowl history. Malcolm Butler is and always will be a rock star folk hero forever, and Coach Belichick never was able to wrap his head around the fact that Malcolm is special. Benching Butler later against the Eagles for the entire game was Berry-like in its utter stupidity as benching Flutie in '88 was. It was title-killing. And it's the major factor in Tom's certainty mentally that he was gone. Credit Robert Kraft for convincing him to stay around to win one more Super Bowl.
We really do have so many wonderful memories. Anytime we thumped the Ravens was always my favorite games of any season. LOL
 

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Insane revisionist history here on 2020 Bucs. The talk all off-season was: who will have a better record, the Pats with Newton or Stidham and coached by Belichick or the Bucs with Brady and coached by assclown Arians.

The Bucs tape: two very physically talented receivers who aren’t disciplined and don’t run routes well, get a lot of yards free lancing and in garbage time. Bad offensive line. Defense has terrific front 7 but liability secondary makes them closer to average.

Justin Watson was the #3 receiver on opening day.

The Bucs did struggle to adjust on offense, and what they said about Arians had some truth, but they finally put it together. They also had injuries, losing arguably Brady’s favorite target in Howard. Evans and Godwin were hurt throughout the season.

There are probably about a dozen teams in the NFL that could be “a Super Team” with the right QB…and there’s so much bias about championship game performance. The defense is very solid but not the 85 Bears; they’ll hopefully be a top 5 overall unit next year. They got the Packers and Chiefs with devastating o-line injuries while returning Vea and being very lucky with health.
There is not a single person who thought the bucs were a contender until Brady got there and even then there was a lot of doubts. Too old, cant play in arians system, needs belichick. All of the sudden now people are like Brady went to a super team. Well that super team had not won a playoff game in 18 years, nor had they even been to the playoffs in 10. Yet super team. People need to make up their minds about things and stick with it and not change when the results you expected didnt happen.
 

amfootball

In the Starting Line-Up
Insane revisionist history here on 2020 Bucs. The talk all off-season was: who will have a better record, the Pats with Newton or Stidham and coached by Belichick or the Bucs with Brady and coached by assclown Arians.

The Bucs tape: two very physically talented receivers who aren’t disciplined and don’t run routes well, get a lot of yards free lancing and in garbage time. Bad offensive line. Defense has terrific front 7 but liability secondary makes them closer to average.

Justin Watson was the #3 receiver on opening day.

The Bucs did struggle to adjust on offense, and what they said about Arians had some truth, but they finally put it together. They also had injuries, losing arguably Brady’s favorite target in Howard. Evans and Godwin were hurt throughout the season.

There are probably about a dozen teams in the NFL that could be “a Super Team” with the right QB…and there’s so much bias about championship game performance. The defense is very solid but not the 85 Bears; they’ll hopefully be a top 5 overall unit next year. They got the Packers and Chiefs with devastating o-line injuries while returning Vea and being very lucky with health.
Vea was so big for them. He never gets mentioned. But his presence in the middle to stop the run and push the pocket anchored that D in the post-season.

The other thing that never gets mentioned is Brady and the O got them two score leads early in both the NFCCG and SB. GB score at half was 21-10 and everyone knew that game was over when Brady hit that dagger to Miller before half. Look at the GB sideline after that play. It's like they were all shot including Rodgers who had his head down already defeated. Then vs KC, Brady does it again before half hitting AB to make it 21-6. But the turning point of that game came when KC got 3 to start the second half and Brady got 7 on Tampa's first possession making it 28-9 early in the third. Game over even with Mahomes.

In both games, the D could just pin it's ears back and bull rush with multi-score leads. They played brilliantly for sure but those games were both put away by the offense early.
 

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Wow.

For drama, emotional ups and downs, cliff hanging suspense and historic, franchise defining crucial decisions and big plays, it's hard for me to top 2001. The first Jets game - where the Tuck Rule was called for Testaverde and we lost - included a fan poll of what teams who lost on opening day might make the postseason. The Patriots weren't even on the list.

The seasons that ended wrong, 2007 for example, don't work for Hollywood. Gotta be a happy ending. Unless it's a disaster/tragedy, which gives us 1976, with '78 (Stingley) as an appropriate postscript.

Then, a close second for me is 2014. I brought a big old TV into work that night to see the Chiefs game. Amidst the unpleasant scoreboard, I liked what I saw with the LaFell and Gronk scores. It wasn't our night, but I was encouraged by our effort. All the doomsday nonsense about us and Brady was just based upon the scoreboard - but every season we won there was a big blowout loss earlier in the year - so I thought, okay, that's how we roll. We care about January and February.

The Ravens win was fun. And funny. And the ball manipulation utter nonsense was reminiscent of CryGate seven years previous. Only this time was literally nothing, not even a few guys doing nothing wrong in a location deemed unauthorized by the league. A repeat fake scandal. Before the game in Arizona, Tom Brady said, "I've never wanted to win a game so badly as I do this one." With most of the fans and everyone in the press box not from Boston rooting hard for the Seahawks, the game boiled down to crucial, clutch plays made down the stretch. The togetherness and communication displayed by our defense after Jerod Mayo went down was on full display, right up to simply the most dramatic [and for me, heroic] play in Super Bowl history. Malcolm Butler is and always will be a rock star folk hero forever, and Coach Belichick never was able to wrap his head around the fact that Malcolm is special. Benching Butler later against the Eagles for the entire game was Berry-like in its utter stupidity as benching Flutie in '88 was. It was title-killing. And it's the major factor in Tom's certainty mentally that he was gone. Credit Robert Kraft for convincing him to stay around to win one more Super Bowl.
I can't WAIT for Brady's or Bill's book shining a light about the events after the 2014 AFC Championship game and the league's role in all of this.
 

VectorPrime

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I can't WAIT for Brady's or Bill's book shining a light about the events after the 2014 AFC Championship game and the league's role in all of this.

Bill won’t say anything. Brady MIGHT considering how open he’s been lately.
 

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