Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by sean10mm, Dec 23, 2019.
Better than Steve Young? No.
One critique of Marino he has a rep of not being a film nerd like Montana, Brady, Manning, IMO this didn't hurt him a lot in the regular season, but killed him in the playoffs.
Brees is more of a stat accumulator, sort of like a Don Sutton type, better but still, a lot of empty stats.
As far as judging players (generally) you look at guys who dominated their era and guys who changed the game. Unitas basically invented the 2 minute drill. Sorta like Cousy invented the point guard position in BBall. I will be fascinated to see who the panel selects. And their rationale.
Montana and Brady were always locks, The other locks IMO are Unitas, Graham and Baugh. That's 5 the other 5 will be fascinating.
As mentioned in this thread there are 20 other possibilities.
Aikman was Sb mvp. Aikman was more instrumental to the success of his team than Bradshaw.
Comparable. And he beat him 3 sbs to 1.
Sure it’s arbitrary but you’re just being inconsistent. ‘78-04 is 26 years. QB careers span half that time or so.
My point was simply that the NFL has been around a long time. You’re trying to pick the best QBs from the 30s till now. If their are 8-9 slots then the once a decade is just convenient maths. You can change that to 2 every 2 decades but the point stands. And they will spread the picks out to get the best from each generation/era.
Now you may feel that the 3rd best QB in 2010s is a lot bigger accomplishment than the best of 40s or 50s or 2nd best from 60s etc (more competition etc) but the tone of the show so far says BB disagrees. He’s routinely picking the dominant players from previous eras over more recent 2nd/3rd best players
How’d he get in before stalwarts such:
- EJ Manuel
- Nate “The Great” Peterman
- Akili Smith
- Andrew Walter
- Rick Mirer
Who is constructing these lists?!?
Saying Aikman is better than Steve Young screams of too much eggnog consumption.
Aikman was never league MVP. Bradshaw has more SBs.
You forgot Jim Druckenmiller
TBH, I haven't been following the NFL100 hype, b/c Hate, but that's a hell of a list. I don't know the old guys at all, but I would not be able to leave Marcus Allen off the list. They've compiled a good list, but I'd take him or Dorsett over OJ any day.
The nostalgia for the old players is understandable, but there is little question that the professionalization of the sport after the time of the merger and then FAcy has produced superior athletes and competition. To my mind, that deserves recognition, while keeping tabs on things like the Mel Blount rule and how the game changed to make things easier/harder on certain modern players.
Didn’t say he was better than young. Said in his prime his numbers were comparable to anyone. And he out won young 3 rings to 1.
Didn’t say Aikman won a hardware count, said he was more instrumental to his teams success than Bradshaw.
All those statements are true.
you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Rings don’t matter compared to young but are all that matters compared to Bradshaw????
Bradshaw was a league MVP. His accomplishments were not just Super Bowl titles his performance vs DAL and LA only cemented his clutchness.
Young was a superior QB than Aikman. If you want to say they are comparable you are wrong but thats fine.
Are you saying Aikman's prime #s are comparable to the top QBs of all-time? Is that really your position?
Elway might not make it in the Walsh, McDaniels, Payton offenses that Montana and Young, Brady, and Brees thrived in, but he might be a superstar in the mode of Jackson or Wilson of the hypermodern era.
Aikman is an interesting case. His whole career is really based on a 6 year run. Statistically he was not that impressive but he was the leader of an all-time dynasty and stepped up his play in the post season. His playoff QB rating was over 100 on all 3 Super Bowl runs. HOFer but not close to the top 10.
Safe to say this is a controversial selection, there's probably gonna be an uproar cause they left out somebody.
'78 is also the year that the illegal contact rule was introduced. It dwarfs 2005 in terms of how it changed the game to favor passing with those two rule changes.
bradshaw was a big reason the Steelers won their 3rd and 4th superbowls
Sure he was but aikman was a bigger part of the cowboys success
I probably should have brought that up but was speaking to that relationship on the los which was brutal for all involved. IC definitely effected that as well.
Those 2 changes are absolutely monumental but didn't effect stats like post-2004 when the league started to manufacture offensive explosion & efficiency. Football had a decent tick upwards from 78-81 but didn't look different for 2 decades.
For instance the difference from 1980 (5.8) to 2003 (6.0) the AY/A was miniscule.
2004 is when the league made a conscious effort to change the from a subjective pov enforcing rules from previous eras. Again there was a conscious effort from the top (league FO - refs) to bottom in terms of how they would enforce the rules. From 2004 (6.0) - 2018 (7.4) is where the league really took off in terms of explosive plays/efficiency. And it's still going to a degree. If you look at the start of those changes that's when we had the start of & peaks from guys like Brees, Rodgers & others.
Both changes were huge but 2004 was just enormous bc of rules & a mindset of how the league wanted to look going forward.
Who didn't expect Brady to be selected?
No surprise. Many players and coaches help him gain this accomplishment those that come to mind are, Welker, Edelman, Gronk, Moss, McDaniels, and Belichick. This is true for most QBs, others create the record.
If I had a vote, Bradshaw would be in for many reasons. I'd have Bradshaw over Manning, Staubach and Marino. Terry is vastly undervalued in NFL history.
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