Brady forcing balls to other receivers when Amendola is open?

[fnordcircle]

Let me be clear about this: He hates his WR.

 

[TonyTucker]

Michael Silver reports that there's a growing disconnect between Brady and Ah-mendola.

 

[SVN]

depends if brady is on his back when amendola or (insert WR he is not throwing to) is open .....OL has been a big factor this yr because of new players since they cant get open quick.
We can see the browns game before and after gronk. Pats had so many wide open players with gronk drawing coverage. But during the comeback drives brady was throwing in very tight coverage to edelman or screens. Thats how its going to be from now on.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

who knows how long dobson is out. And with no gronk..he may have to force things to amendola now

 

[robbomango]

The Binky myth, Who was the binky last year or previous years? AH? Gronk? Welker? Lloyd? Branch? Moss? Binky out of the backfield, Woodhead? now Vereen? Maybe dobson and Thomkins are new binky's? I guess Givens, Patten, T Brown were binky's?

I've seen him throw to receivers cold off the bench, Slater in the AFCCCG, T Underwood, Mulligan catching a TD pass, I could go on and on. The truth is every QB has there go to guy's some have 1, others have 2 and others have 3-6 depending on the quality of personnel/depth. It's not a mystery and it's not TB specific, QB's generally throw to the open and more reliable receiver's.. That's how I look at it....

 

[SoCal Pmen]

He pretty much knows who he's going to throw to based on the matchup he sees at the line (i.e. Vereen on a LB). Almost to a fault, he sometimes locks in on that particular receiver so when that read isn't there and he goes through his progressions, its typically too late because the o-line isn't affording him the time this year.

 

[IllegalContact]

brady goes with what works......and i also think they're focusing on different guys in different games.....edelperson went through a dry spell against mia, pit, and car....vereen took touches from both amendola and edelperson sunday

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

One of the funniest things you will hear said by football punditry is "receiver X was open, just simply throw the ball to him". When a QB drops back to pass, he has continuously disrupted line of sight, defenders crisscrossing his field of vision, must see where defenders are AND where they will be when the pass hits its intended target, must notice the space he has around him to be able to throw a pass (pocket), must have nearly a 180 degree cognizance for the pass rush coming into violently assault him. All that and he has maybe 5 seconds to execute a successful pass. So I'm going out on a limb to say the QB's job is just a tiny bit more complex than 'the receiver was open, just throw the ball to him!'.

It's good reporting/information to notice Amendola was open but didn't have the pass thrown his way. It's glib to believe what it means without first knowing more information. How many of these situations were there? Of those situations, how many ended up with a successful pass to a different receiver? How many of these situations did Brady have pass rush/pocket collapsing issues, line of sight to Amendola's area issues as well as what was the down-distance-game situation?? If the reporters can take the time to provide that additional information, we can start making some educated guesses as to the why (if the reporters followed up with more details, I didn't see it). Consider the wide possibilities of the meaning: if there were two instances of this with 1 of the instances having a little bit of a pass rush/LOS issue, than it is a complete non story. Conversely, if there were 4 instances and we also know that there were no real pass rush/LOS issues on any of these 4 plays, this is a story with some very serious considerations/ramifications.

Brady is one of the best all time yet he isn't above simply making a mistake, even making it several times. But he isn't going to keep making it. If Amendola being open repeatedly is true and that isn't limited to the Cleveland game, I'll bet my mortgage payment that his receiving stats are about to begin a markedly upward trend. And even if Brady has underlying trust issues with Amendola, there is NO way (especially with Gronk gone) Brady is going to disregard Amendola being open. Brady simply doesn't have the luxury of being that choosy (unlike years past).

 

[SacPete1]

One of the funniest things you will hear said by football punditry is "receiver X was open, just simply throw the ball to him". When a QB drops back to pass, he has continuously disrupted line of sight, defenders crisscrossing his field of vision, must see where defenders are AND where they will be when the pass hits its intended target, must notice the space he has around him to be able to throw a pass (pocket), must have nearly a 180 degree cognizance for the pass rush coming into violently assault him. All that and he has maybe 5 seconds to execute a successful pass. So I'm going out on a limb to say the QB's job is just a tiny bit more complex than 'the receiver was open, just throw the ball to him!'.)

That's really well said. Line of sight and read progression are not either clear or known so any drawn conclusions are premature.
That said, I'm sure the film review will prompt McDaniels and Brady to review their read protocols just as each film session would.

 

[Triumph]

he's not seeing the field that well this year.

Youre right.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

From my observation, the Offense has had trouble executing this season. Form, new players, training camp issues make of what you will. Really, I can't see the validity in not throwing to Amendola when the Patriots rolled Brady out and he hit Amendola for the game winning score against the Browns.

I'm not saying that he never throws it to DA....

A lot of the offensive issues has to do with oline problems, mankins is either injured or has lost a step, solder is getting exposed, Wendell is too small and can get manhandled, vollmer is out, etc.

But brady is not throwing to lot of wide open guys too- either he doesn't have 100% confidence in the young/new guys or he is not seeing them when they are open. For the past few weeks he's basically has been locked onto gronk, vereen or edelman. Now he'll be forced to spread it out more.

 

[condon84]

One of the funniest things you will hear said by football punditry is "receiver X was open, just simply throw the ball to him". When a QB drops back to pass, he has continuously disrupted line of sight, defenders crisscrossing his field of vision, must see where defenders are AND where they will be when the pass hits its intended target, must notice the space he has around him to be able to throw a pass (pocket), must have nearly a 180 degree cognizance for the pass rush coming into violently assault him. All that and he has maybe 5 seconds to execute a successful pass. So I'm going out on a limb to say the QB's job is just a tiny bit more complex than 'the receiver was open, just throw the ball to him!'.

Great point.

They sometimes show a replay with the perspective shown as if you were on the field behind the QB. I think this happens when the offense is backed up near its own end zone. But you really get a good sense of the chaos these QBs see in front of them when trying to complete a pass.

I'm astonished when a QB like Brady or Peyton make it look easy when they get on a roll.

 

[Froob]

Clearly what we have here is Amendola being phased out of the offense.

 

[BradyManny]

You know, it's pretty amazing how well Brady has performed these last few years given how much he's sucked over that time according to Patsfans. Can't throw the deep ball, can't read the D, locks in on guys, blah blah blah.

Never mind that his production from 2007-now is arguably the most productive stretch any QB has ever had.

As for Nick Underhill, I like Nick, but he should stop taking stupid pills. The screen grab he posted was asinine. Based on the grab alone, it's clear to see one reason why Brady wouldn't throw to Amendola right then, and I'm not even an X & O guy - the Browns look to be in zone and the guy near Boyce could jump the Amendola route and grab a pick-6. That's about as definitive a statement I'll make about a play, because I don't want to make the same mistake as Nick, by talking about football at a level I'm not qualified to do.

 

[Kontradiction]

You know, it's pretty amazing how well Brady has performed these last few years given how much he's sucked over that time according to Patsfans. Can't throw the deep ball, can't read the D, locks in on guys, blah blah blah.

Never mind that his production from 2007-now is arguably the most productive stretch any QB has ever had.

As for Nick Underhill, I like Nick, but he should stop taking stupid pills. The screen grab he posted was asinine. Based on the grab alone, it's clear to see one reason why Brady wouldn't throw to Amendola right then, and I'm not even an X & O guy - the Browns look to be in zone and the guy near Boyce could jump the Amendola route and grab a pick-6. That's about as definitive a statement I'll make about a play, because I don't want to make the same mistake as Nick, by talking about football at a level I'm not qualified to do.

I agree with the picture. That was an out route in which the CB was in good position to take a pick-6 to the house.

 

[Triumph]

This whole thread is crazy.

Brady and Edelman have been working together the longest of all NE WRs on the roster. In 2013, Brady has played 13 games and Edelman has played 13 games. They likely see the defense and adjustments the same and thats why Brady will look his way first when the chips are down.

All the other NE WRs have missed games due to injury or a healthy scratch.

Brady is back spreading the ball around just like during the Super Bowl Championship seasons.

Almendola has 63 targets and 41 receptions for 448 yards, 2 TDs for a 65% completion rate.
Dobson has 65 targets and 35 receptions for 492 yards, 4 TDs for a 54% completion rate.
Thompkins has 70 targets and 32 receptions for 466 yards, 4 TDs for a 46% completion rate.
Vereen has 55 targets and 40 receptions for 373 yards, 1 TD for a 73% completion rate.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Bucky Brooks has an in depth article at nfl.com on the post-Gronk offense........great read.

Polian contends that it takes 3 years to develop an NFL passing offense. Having these guys do it on the fly should produce some head scratching.

What will be interesting is to see if this is also caught this week in film study and if it continues on Sunday.

Ian should assign somebody to follow.

 

[JMC00]

Polian contends that it takes 3 years to develop an NFL passing offense. Having these guys do it on the fly should produce some head scratching.

What an idiot. Does he think Belichick and McDaniels are just gonna rip up the offense and start a new one?

 

[Ring 6]

Clearly what we have here is Amendola being phased out of the offense.

Which is why on the game winning TD they called a play that rolled Brady out and made Amendola the only potential receiver.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Now that Gronk is out, will Brady starts (cough,cough) declining...again?

(Everyone's favorite topic.)