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Boutte available for trade?

I just realized I saw that before too.
it's a foolish comment
Boutte was open as any other WR on the team.
in last years offense the backs saw 80 targets and the QB ran the ball over 100 times.
Boutte lead the team in tards per target and yards per catch.
he also thru 8 games was on a 900 yard pace, before he injured. he missed most of/all of 4 games.
I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts the Pats tried hard to extend Boutte, but he preferred to gamble on himself, and if that is with another team, he is still willing to take that gamble
 
Everybody take the few facts we do know and process the cause and effect. (sorry to repeat the above. We're doing it a statement at a time.)

Brown is not a New England Patriot.
Boutte is a New England Patriot.
Boutte is on the last year of his contract.
Boutte is not a free agent this year.
Therefore, it is not a now-or-never thing to solve Boutte's contract.
Also therefore, it is not significant if there is not motion now on Boutte's contract.

Is there any significance to the arrival or non-arrival of Brown in N.E. for the Boutte situation? Yes. There are finite resources to use on WRs, although keeping both is obviously the null hypothesis if we do get Brown; it's the Boutte trade that's speculative, not the idea that both would be on the team.

So he's saying "if we trade him, here's what I imagine us getting." Okay. Then somebody else says "Breer says Boutte is moving on and here's the trade he'll get." Then we're off to the races.

I mean, could be. To me it looks like we all just convinced ourselves Brown is on the team. Can't wait to see what we know in June. I'm bored too LOL.

I think the Boutte issue stems from signing Doubs. I think he's looking at that deal as the one he was hoping to get, and knows they won't hand out 2 of them. They will pay a guy like Brown more than that, but they won't pay the top money, and then pay two guys the deal Doubs signed. Same goes for Diggs. If he returns it will be for closer to 10-11 per, not 17-20 $$. However, if they do trade Boutte they may be willing to give Diggs a 1 year deal in that range, but nothing multi year.

I still think the best way to handle Boutte is to tell him they will trade him if his agent can find a team willing to part with a 4th ( K.C.?), on the condition that he will return and play his ass off if they can't get a willing taker. If that's not good enough then there isn't much more that they can do. Unfortunately their receiving corps proved in the playoffs that they aren't good enough against the best defenses. Diggs isn't a " 1", and the rest simply couldn't get separation quick enough for Maye to pull the trigger. They do need a WR who can beat the best defenses, or draw enough attention to open up opportunities for Doubs and Williams.
 
Speculating…got it
Seems like a pretty well founded speculation that makes a ton of sense. Kyle Williams is gonna take his snaps in 2026 anyways, so Boutte don't let the door hit you in the Bou....
 
I said "if" he asks for a trade. I really don't know this all started, but the media has been pushing this lately. Curran is now chiming in which his argument doesn't make any sense and an oxymoron. If anything, he's desperately trying to help the Pats hype him up to get a team to overpay.


 
Seems like a pretty well founded speculation that makes a ton of sense. Kyle Williams is gonna take his snaps in 2026 anyways, so Boutte don't let the door hit you in the Bou....
I would be pleased if Williams did take those snaps. but emphasize "take", as in earned on the practice field over the summer.
if Brown is here, and Williams shows that improvement, I have no issues trading Boutte. but not for pennies on the dollar.
the teams that miss out on Brown/Diggs will be willing. Chargers. Chiefs. Giants. Jets. Bills. Vikings
 
I would be pleased if Williams did take those snaps. but emphasize "take", as in earned on the practice field over the summer.
if Brown is here, and Williams shows that improvement, I have no issues trading Boutte. but not for pennies on the dollar.
the teams that miss out on Brown/Diggs will be willing. Chargers. Chiefs. Giants. Jets. Bills. Vikings
If and when he's dealt he's likely going to an NFC team.. he's from Louisiana so I can see Vrabel doing him a solid sending him there..
 
If and when he's dealt he's likely going to an NFC team.. he's from Louisiana so I can see Vrabel doing him a solid sending him there..
No solids, we need max return. Boutte hasn't earned a solid and staying away from practice aint winning him any favors with anyone.
 
No solids, we need max return. Boutte hasn't earned a solid and staying away from practice aint winning him any favors with anyone.
Solid meaning the organization has the control. Vrabel's not a type of guy who's in the business of trying to begrudge guys.. but i see your points.
 
I think the Boutte issue stems from signing Doubs. I think he's looking at that deal as the one he was hoping to get, and knows they won't hand out 2 of them. They will pay a guy like Brown more than that, but they won't pay the top money, and then pay two guys the deal Doubs signed. Same goes for Diggs. If he returns it will be for closer to 10-11 per, not 17-20 $$. However, if they do trade Boutte they may be willing to give Diggs a 1 year deal in that range, but nothing multi year.

I still think the best way to handle Boutte is to tell him they will trade him if his agent can find a team willing to part with a 4th ( K.C.?), on the condition that he will return and play his ass off if they can't get a willing taker. If that's not good enough then there isn't much more that they can do. Unfortunately their receiving corps proved in the playoffs that they aren't good enough against the best defenses. Diggs isn't a " 1", and the rest simply couldn't get separation quick enough for Maye to pull the trigger. They do need a WR who can beat the best defenses, or draw enough attention to open up opportunities for Doubs and Williams.

I am with you on Boutte's mental model and his perception of the impact of the Doubs signing. I'm not with you on whether Diggs is a 1. He clearly was. Who produced more on the Patriots? I can see the argument that he wasn't a "1" if the most productive pass catcher, by far, was Hunter Henry, the situation that pertained back in the Cam/Mac days. But with Diggs on the field, Henry is just another "role player" receiver, as far as pass catching impact goes.

They "couldn't get separation fast enough for Maye to pull the trigger," yet Maye carved up defenses all year. He ran into a murderer's row in the playoffs, and finally couldn't match the opponent vs. seattle (where he nevertheless finished with good stats, because of (1) the garbage time effect, and (2) Maye legitimately getting dialed in as the second half ground on.) In fact, you could argue that by trying to do too much, he ended up with huge negative big plays, and that's what did the Pats in... not this "true no. 1" fetish.

If you want a Top 10 guy or something, say so. Don't keep saying Diggs wasn't a 1; you just want an elite no. 1. We still don't have that, and have nowhere to get it, unless you want to substitute what Kyle Williams is "going to" be.

Diggs Rankings, 2025:
Yards: 16th. That means half the teams in the league or more would have improved by using Diggs as the no. 1.
Rec. : 12th. See above, except more like 2/3 of teams.
YPC: oh-oh. 57th. 11.9 YPC. Statistically this puts him where you'd expect a team's no. 2 receiver would be. True to form, that's exactly what he is in this metric, (no. 2 receiver, no. 3 pass catcher, including Henry) with Boutte being NE's no. 1 in YPC.
But let's check out the guys he loses out to:
Are you a no.1 receiver with less than 800 yards? Because if you're not, that knocks out 35 of the 56 guys ahead of him. Just for example. (YPC, of course, can be easily won by a specialized role player, e.g., Boutte, an outside-only guy. Diggs sort of wins that argument because you can put him where you need him and he will get open - he's not just an inside guy or an outside guy, he's a "where does he make the play work" guy.
Catch rate: 1st.
This source has him at 81%, though I calculate it as 83% (85 of 102 targets), so I don't know what else goes into their formula. Don't be fooled; the RBs are always super-high in this metric. The benefit of including this one is that they are ranked by catch rate here. He's 1st among receivers.
TDs: 42nd. Oh-ohhhh again. He only had 4 TDs. That's statistically what you'd expect from the no. 2 guy on the team. That said, no NE pass catcher even sniffed double digits. Yet somehow, the team was 5th in the league with 31. So yeah, room for improvement, but the backs and TEs might continue to vulture this stat (and yes, Boutte rang the bell 6 times.)
Games started: T1st. Pooh pooh that if you want, but I don't give a damn if you're the greatest no. 1 in the world for 10 games every season, I need another whole guy to make up for it when you're out. Diggs started every game.

So again, I'm not arguing that he's a top 10 guy. I am arguing that he was NE's no. 1 receiver last year. Our big solution, AJ Brown, doesn't get you that top 5 or top 10 guy either. There's the rub. You say "true no. 1," you mean "Top 5 - top 10 receiver." Tellingly, that's about what a "WR1" means in a 10-team fantasy league. He'll carve you up with route running, but he won't win an Olympic gold for track and field in the process. You don't have to target him an extra 40 times to get his 85 catches. But that pure burst is not his game.

The receiving corps wasn't as good as we wanted it to be last year. If it could be better, we damn well want to see that. Your view, that they just weren't good enough against the best defenses, was more true of our WRs than theirs exactly 1 time. Where we can get better, hell yes we should. But let's stop whining that we don't have a "true no. 1" when what we mean is that we're in the middle class of the league, with a no. 1 that can be contained by a strong CB.

If we re-acquire old man Diggs, it's also doubtful whether he can continue at the same level as last year. It would be nice if Kyle Williams is the diamond in the rough we want. But one thing's for sure.... none of the free agents this year fit that bill.

I get passionate about this because the "true no. 1" fetish covers up virtually every other approach to gaining productivity. Yes it would be cool to have a 14-TD, 1700-yard beast. There are like 2 or 3 of them. God help the league if we got one.

But until then we can't keep "analyzing" the problem as being that we don't have those special players. Yes, we need to get better, especially with Diggs off the team and a year older even if we get him back. Brown isn't that guy. Kyle Williams most likely isn't either. (but surprise us, Kyle!)

That doesn't mean we should be giving up, saying "oh no we just don't have any receivers" because we don't have an elite receiver. Yes, we had a number 1 last year.

We have to cope with being in the pack in terms of who our no. 1 is. The nice thing is, most teams do.
 
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it's a foolish comment
Boutte was open as any other WR on the team.
in last years offense the backs saw 80 targets and the QB ran the ball over 100 times.
Boutte lead the team in tards per target and yards per catch.
he also thru 8 games was on a 900 yard pace, before he injured. he missed most of/all of 4 games.
I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts the Pats tried hard to extend Boutte, but he preferred to gamble on himself, and if that is with another team, he is still willing to take that gamble
Boutte played more than any WR on the team other than Hollins who was essentially a blocking
WR… a smallish TE. Nobody had more opportunity than Boutte.

The simple fact of the matter is he is under six feet, so not tall for an outside WR, he’s not fast and doesn’t have extreme mobility. He’s a guy who knows how to play the position really well but doesn’t have the body to be that guy. If he was open as much as you say he’d have more than 500+ yards receiving the last two years.
 
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if Brown is here, and Williams shows that improvement, I have no issues trading Boutte. but not for pennies on the dollar.
You’ve never understood the concept of market price.

You’re not simply trading a player, you’re trading a player who wants to get paid.

The return value is less because he needs to be paid.

This is also exacerbated by you overvaluing Boutte, he’s never eclipsed 600 yards receiving. He’s not nearly as good as you think he is.
 
Let me be clear. I like Boutte, he's 23 and I think he made a couple of incremental jumps over the last couple of seasons, and think he could really be something, potentially.

That said - I have zero sympathy for the pouting 'I'm not happy' ****, whether that's driven by his agent or him. If he's going to be a problem, he needs to go, he doesn't have that kind of cache.

He had a chance to sign an extension in the offseason, and chose not to, which forced the Patriots to make a run at Doubs in FA - who is an appreciable upgrade over Boutte, and is only 3 years older. They're different players, do different things, but he's a pretty clear net upgrade to me.
 
Unfortunately, if/when Brown becomes a member of his favorite team, the potential of a “bidding war” for Boutte diminishes. While he has progressed, at this point he’s a 3’rd receiver at best. We either face that fact and settle for a 5th or more likely a 6th round pick or have him battle it out with Williams for snaps. Good season or bad, he’s outta here next year anyway, so let’s hope he has a good year and brings back a decent future comp pick….
 
Let me be clear. I like Boutte, he's 23 and I think he made a couple of incremental jumps over the last couple of seasons, and think he could really be something, potentially.

That said - I have zero sympathy for the pouting 'I'm not happy' ****, whether that's driven by his agent or him. If he's going to be a problem, he needs to go, he doesn't have that kind of cache.

He had a chance to sign an extension in the offseason, and chose not to, which forced the Patriots to make a run at Doubs in FA - who is an appreciable upgrade over Boutte, and is only 3 years older. They're different players, do different things, but he's a pretty clear net upgrade to me.


This is what Boutte is in comparison to givens. Difference here is Givens fulfilled his rookie deal and saw he wasn't going to get $$$ here and signed with the titans.. Boutte has yet to even fulfill his contract. We all like Boutte but the more he stays away especially with OTAs starting this week the more it's driven on his side regarding a contract.
 


This is what Boutte is in comparison to givens. Difference here is Givens fulfilled his rookie deal and saw he wasn't going to get $$$ here and signed with the titans.. Boutte has yet to even fulfill his contract. We all like Boutte but the more he stays away especially with OTAs starting this week the more it's driven on his side regarding a contract.
The Boutte/Givens comparisons are reasonable, but they’re not exactly the same. Givens was a bigger more physical possession WR, leaving college he weighed almost 220 pounds of muscle…. Boutte weighed 195. Givens bodied out and strong armed defenders, Boutte does his job using a little more finesse. Givens physical style ended his career before it really began, but in an era of football where teams threw less he posted 800 yards of offense.

We’ll see if Boutte can manage that on another team. If I was looking for a slot receiver I might give up a late round pick for him. He’s probably better suited for that job. The Pats used him outside more out of necessity than a desire to.
 
The Boutte/Givens comparisons are reasonable, but they’re not exactly the same. Givens was a bigger more physical possession WR, leaving college he weighed almost 220 pounds of muscle…. Boutte weighed 195. Givens bodied out and strong armed defenders, Boutte does his job using a little more finesse. Givens physical style ended his career before it really began, but in an era of football where teams threw less he posted 800 yards of offense.

We’ll see if Boutte can manage that on another team. If I was looking for a slot receiver I might give up a late round pick for him. He’s probably better suited for that job. The Pats used him outside more out of necessity than a desire to.
Correct. Givens worked his way into the player he become.. as a 7th rounder he spent the entire offseason on the JUGS machine and got in sync with brady while on his rookie deal.. back then we ran the ball firstly our wrs were possession guys.. branch and givens were our true outside the numbers guys.. I'll say this again if and when Boutte gets traded he's going to an NFC team and best hope it's not with The Cardinals with Jacoby Brissett.
 
Correct. Givens worked his way into the player he become.. as a 7th rounder he spent the entire offseason on the JUGS machine and got in sync with brady while on his rookie deal.. back then we ran the ball firstly our wrs were possession guys.. branch and givens were our true outside the numbers guys.. I'll say this again if and when Boutte gets traded he's going to an NFC team and best hope it's not with The Cardinals with Jacoby Brissett.
Truthfully I don’t think the Pats are worried about trading him outside the division. He’s not coming back to haunt them.
 
I said "if" he asks for a trade. I really don't know this all started, but the media has been pushing this lately. Curran is now chiming in which his argument doesn't make any sense and an oxymoron. If anything, he's desperately trying to help the Pats hype him up to get a team to overpay.



Is Boutte not getting the ball enough because Maye isn't looking his way or the plays are not being designed to get to him OR he is just not getting open enough. I would probably say more of the latter. He is an X WR. You typically designs plays to feed your X WR and QBs naturally look to him first since that is the side of the field they see first after dropping back.

Also, his lack of YAC tells me that he isn't getting open enough. As an X WR, he should have opportunities to break a big play here or there because he gets a jump on the defender. The fact he isn't getting YAC indicates he is well covered and immediately brought down after the catch.

Curran and others claim the only thing holding Boutte back is that he isn't getting the ball enough. I am wonder if he isn't getting the ball because he isn't open and you cannot just throw up 50-50 balls all day.
 
it's a foolish comment
Boutte was open as any other WR on the team.
in last years offense the backs saw 80 targets and the QB ran the ball over 100 times.
Boutte lead the team in tards per target and yards per catch.
he also thru 8 games was on a 900 yard pace, before he injured. he missed most of/all of 4 games.
I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts the Pats tried hard to extend Boutte, but he preferred to gamble on himself, and if that is with another team, he is still willing to take that gamble
No. Saying his yards where down because he didn't get the ball enough is about about as foolish as it gets and an oxymoron. Doubling down saying he was as open as anyone else is even worse. You are trying way too hard defending Boutte.

Mack Hollins was not brought to be the #2 WR which he ended up being. He only played one more game than Boutte, yet he had almost 20 more targets and 14 more receptions with less snaps than Boutte. And two of the 3 games Hollins missed were at the same time Boutte missed his games starting in week 14. With all that said, Boutte led Hollins by one measly yard. It's amazing were even discussing this.
 
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