Boston Herald - Inside the Patriots’ 2024 season, Jerod Mayo’s firing and a franchise’s continued fall

[Ross12]

Did he really say that? There's always something to be learned. I bet the decision to move on was from this moment.

I went back to try to find it - I guess I misremembered, he actually said this after the Chargers game.

 

[Steve102]

Hmm, Kraft said the high of the season was Cincinnati and that after that they "regressed."

And now there's reports... somewhere here, maybe the Herald thread, that the film study shows they got lucky.

I went back to try to find it - I guess I misremembered, he actually said this after the Chargers game.

Makes sense. Still, always something to learn. For instance, Kraft learned that Mayo wasn't ready.

 

[Steve102]

(About the Cincinnati game) - “After we won, (Mayo) was the happiest guy, bouncing off the walls during the week. The happiest guy in the world,” one staffer remembered. “And after we lost, it was like someone shot his dog.”The source continued: “Meanwhile, most of us are in there watching the tape (of the Bengals game), and it’s like, ‘Oh s—.’ We were so lucky to win this game.’ I don’t know if he watched the tape before taking that victory lap. We really lucked out there and obviously the rest of the season bore that out.”

@Clonamery

 

[Ross12]

And now there's reports... somewhere here, maybe the Herald thread, that the film study shows they got lucky.

Makes sense. Still, always something to learn. For instance, Kraft learned that Mayo wasn't ready.

The quote is funny with them saying "I don't think Mayo reviewed the film before taking his victory lap for that win" because the other story from the Athletic basically says he doesn't review the film.

 

[The Gr8est]

Thanks for doing that.

I am really sick of hearing about "talent" - yes, the roster was bad. However, the defense was the same roster that Bill and Steve worked with the prior year (plus Gonzo on top) and it regressed badly. The offense was largely as good as what BOB worked with the prior year but with Maye added. So overall IMO it was at least 10% better. The team should have looked 10% better, but they looked and played far worse, record aside. It's such a flimsy excuse - "well the team had a bad roster so what can we do?" Okay, so why do you have a job then? We may as well have no coaches because with a bad roster what's the point? May as well forfeit, save ourselves the cash paying you. You can still show you're building something even with less talent. And the gulf in talent between the worst NFL team and best NFL team is not as wide as they want to make you believe.

When people mention the lack of talent I always think back to 2001.

Who thought that 2001 team had close to enough talent to win a SB?

 

[Clonamery]

And now there's reports... somewhere here, maybe the Herald thread, that the film study shows they got lucky.

Makes sense. Still, always something to learn. For instance, Kraft learned that Mayo wasn't ready.

When Kraft said it in his Press Conference, I replayed it to see if I was missing nuance. Nope. So when he says, measure 9 times, cut once, you really see the measure being off in Game 2 and do nothing but cross your toes that he improves.

 

[The Gr8est]

And now there's reports... somewhere here, maybe the Herald thread, that the film study shows they got lucky.

Makes sense. Still, always something to learn. For instance, Kraft learned that Mayo wasn't ready.

And yet it appears that it took a full fan base revolt to get Kraft to move away from Mayo.

 

[archstanton543]

Who thought that 2001 team had close to enough talent to win a SB?

I did. They went to the Super Bowl 5 years before then with the same core of guys. They needed a few tweaks and better coaching and they were contenders.

 

[Steve102]

When Kraft said it in his Press Conference, I replayed it to see if I was missing nuance. Nope. So when he says, measure 9 times, cut once, you really see a the measure being off in Game 2 and do nothing but cross your toes that he improves.

Not sure what he could do at that point. Damage was done. Remember, there was reports about doubts on Mayo last summer.

The quote is funny with them saying "I don't think Mayo reviewed the film before taking his victory lap for that win" because the other story from the Athletic basically says he doesn't review the film.

Doesn't review film. Ok Kyler Murray. ****, even we review film in high school D3 in NH. That was my only job this year.

 

[Ross12]

Another gem:

"He kept talking about these North Stars," a team source said. "And all of us in the building were like, What are they? Can you share them with us? What's the goal? What's the vision here?"

 

[Ross12]

"But occasionally, the receivers didn't even show up. Two days before getting waived on Nov. 16, former second-round pick Tyquan Thornton was late to the facility and didn't practice, according to sources, who added Thornton had checked out mentally after it was clear he wouldn't play anymore.

Sources also confirmed Baker missed bedcheck the night before the Patriots' mid-October game in London, something Mayo later denied. Come kickoff, Baker was inactive."

 

[203Pat]

"But occasionally, the receivers didn't even show up. Two days before getting waived on Nov. 16, former second-round pick Tyquan Thornton was late to the facility and didn't practice, according to sources, who added Thornton had checked out mentally after it was clear he wouldn't play anymore.

Sources also confirmed Baker missed bedcheck the night before the Patriots' mid-October game in London, something Mayo later denied. Come kickoff, Baker was inactive."

I know it would never happen but if the next coached wiped out the entire receiver room I wouldn't really care.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I did. They went to the Super Bowl 5 years before then with the same core of guys. They needed a few tweaks and better coaching and they were contenders.

The Super Bowl?? Love ya but I don't think anyone though they were capable of that.

After 2001 TC I felt this was a 9-7 team. I believed in the talent on the defense was playoff caliber.

How the actual offense evolved (see Bledsoe and Terry Glenn virtually having no role) was clearly something no one in their wildest dreams could imagine.

 

[PatsFan2]

(About Stevenson starting when he shouldn't) - "The reason that Rhamondre Stevenson started, after Jerod Mayo told the media he would be benched, is because of disorganization. Mayo relayed the information to AVP who forgot/didn’t relay the information to Stevenson/the running backs coach. This created an embarrassing situation where Mayo couldn’t explain why 20 minutes before the game he said Stevenson would be benched, and he started anyway. Points to much larger dysfunction."

Mayo's hands off Madden franchise approach: just plug in and play and good things will happen Not!!

 

[Ross12]

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One team source felt had Mayo become more involved, he may not have been collaborative whatsoever.

"To all of the people saying he needed an experienced staff around him to help him find the right answers and find solutions, I don't know if that would have helped," the source said. "I don't know if he actually would have listened to what they were gonna say."

The source continued, describing past interactions Mayo had with staff members by saying: "He would ask anyone, what do you think is the answer here? What do you think of this problem, what can we do to solve this?' And he would listen to the person give their answer and then say something to the effect of, Well, let me tell you why you're wrong.'"

 

[PatsFan2]

I know it would never happen but if the next coached wiped out the entire receiver room I wouldn't really care.

Me neither.

 

[PatsFan2]

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One team source felt had Mayo become more involved, he may not have been collaborative whatsoever.

"To all of the people saying he needed an experienced staff around him to help him find the right answers and find solutions, I don't know if that would have helped," the source said. "I don't know if he actually would have listened to what they were gonna say."

The source continued, describing past interactions Mayo had with staff members by saying: "He would ask anyone, what do you think is the answer here? What do you think of this problem, what can we do to solve this?' And he would listen to the person give their answer and then say something to the effect of, Well, let me tell you why you're wrong.'"

When you did a hole Jarod don't dig one dig two.

 

[turkeyneck]

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One team source felt had Mayo become more involved, he may not have been collaborative whatsoever.

"To all of the people saying he needed an experienced staff around him to help him find the right answers and find solutions, I don't know if that would have helped," the source said. "I don't know if he actually would have listened to what they were gonna say."

The source continued, describing past interactions Mayo had with staff members by saying: "He would ask anyone, what do you think is the answer here? What do you think of this problem, what can we do to solve this?' And he would listen to the person give their answer and then say something to the effect of, Well, let me tell you why you're wrong.'"

Sounds like that might be AVP quotes...

 

[Steve102]

Me neither.

Shocking.

 

[203Pat]

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One team source felt had Mayo become more involved, he may not have been collaborative whatsoever.

"To all of the people saying he needed an experienced staff around him to help him find the right answers and find solutions, I don't know if that would have helped," the source said. "I don't know if he actually would have listened to what they were gonna say."

The source continued, describing past interactions Mayo had with staff members by saying: "He would ask anyone, what do you think is the answer here? What do you think of this problem, what can we do to solve this?' And he would listen to the person give their answer and then say something to the effect of, Well, let me tell you why you're wrong.'"

Man, Kraft really created a monster by inflating Mayo's ego when he made Mayo the coach in waiting. This report lends credence to the reports last year about Mayo high-handing other coaches and his baseball bat swinging in meetings. The more that comes out about Mayo, the more it feels like he was basically playing dress-up. I wonder if his computer was even plugged in when he worked at Optum.