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Ben's looked a little altered ever since his bionic face replacement.
Although mostly that impacts his eyes...which is why I can no longer tell when he's lying...He also looks a little... bloated...

Like a corpse. I think he ate the Lombardi trophy.
 
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Ben's looked a little altered ever since his bionic face replacement.
Although mostly that impacts his eyes...which is why I can no longer tell when he's lying...He also looks a little... bloated...

He always looks bloated before camp, at least ever since the motorcycle accident he has. "Is Ben getting Fat?" is a yearly thread over in the SteelersFever Forum.

As for his denial, he doesn't deny having sex, he just says the allegations of forced sex, rape, kidnapping (as all in the lawsuit) are all false.
 
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He always looks bloated before camp, at least ever since the motorcycle accident he has. "Is Ben getting Fat?" is a yearly thread over in the SteelersFever Forum.

As for his denial, he doesn't deny having sex, he just says the allegations of forced sex, rape, kidnapping (as all in the lawsuit) are all false.

Don't you realize that denial is a sure sign of guilt?
 
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Don't you realize that denial is a sure sign of guilt?

LOL! I almost forgot, of coarse I thought that was only in the case of alcoholics.

I havent seen this here yet, but he hired a lawyer who's know as "The Wolf" or "The Go to Guy"

I think she may lose this case in a big way. We'll see.
 
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I think she may lose this case in a big way. We'll see.

I think the fact she hasn't actually filed criminal charges yet is cause to question the credibility of the allegations. I'm certainly not a fan of him, but this one just seems wierd to me.
 
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Don't you realize that denial is a sure sign of guilt?

With Jewish mothers - we KNOW guilt.
 
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First of all, when your a professional athlete or "celebrity", you don't need to "force yourself" on to anybody. In fact, chicks are lining up to sleep for whatever reason. Second, why did it take this chick a whole year to try to file criminal charges? It's unfortunate that this happened to Big Ben because ESPN is going to have a field day with this. Now Pittsburgh fans are going to find out how it feels when we had to listen to the same bulls*** about "spygate" for almost a year straight. This chick will lose, she doesn't have a case.
 
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First of all, when your a professional athlete or "celebrity", you don't need to "force yourself" on to anybody. In fact, chicks are lining up to sleep for whatever reason. Second, why did it take this chick a whole year to try to file criminal charges? It's unfortunate that this happened to Big Ben because ESPN is going to have a field day with this. Now Pittsburgh fans are going to find out how it feels when we had to listen to the same bulls*** about "spygate" for almost a year straight. This chick will lose, she doesn't have a case.

Apparently you missed the whole "espn cover up" portion of this discussion. PFT will get you up to speed in case you missed it.
 
First of all, when your a professional athlete or "celebrity", you don't need to "force yourself" on to anybody. In fact, chicks are lining up to sleep for whatever reason. Second, why did it take this chick a whole year to try to file criminal charges? It's unfortunate that this happened to Big Ben because ESPN is going to have a field day with this. Now Pittsburgh fans are going to find out how it feels when we had to listen to the same bulls*** about "spygate" for almost a year straight. This chick will lose, she doesn't have a case.

Apparently you missed the whole "espn cover up" portion of this discussion. PFT will get you up to speed in case you missed it.
Not to mention, in regard to the bolded part, the fact that these are not criminal charges, and the explanation regarding why the plaintiff's attorney decided to wait to file the civil case until Ben could be served in Nevada...
 
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didn't go quickly enough? It's been a YEAR and she still hasn't gone to the police. We're not talking a few days delay. We're talking a YEAR. And still no complaint. WHy not? That is the crux of the matter.

Probably because, if you're too late for a rape kit, there isn't much point in filing a criminal complaint. The criminal standard for proving guilt (beyond a reasonable doubt) is high enough that it's virtually impossible to convict someone that doesn't have a prior history without physical evidence or witnesses.

It's not at all unreasonable that she could have initially resisted filing a complaint for any of a number of reasons: shame, coercion by her coworkers and manager, or realizing that a criminal allegation against Roethlisberger would make her a national spectacle. Certainly, by not taking that step, she has made it much harder to win a civil case, but to claim that not filing a criminal complaint conclusively shows that she wasn't raped just isn't correct. It's an ignorant conclusion based on assumptions that have been proven false in numerous studies.

Besides, the opposite of what you say about lying is equally plausible. Several coworkers claimed it didn't happen; she claims the coworkers are lying. To assume that she is the one telling the truth does a diservice to the coworkers. And vice versa, of course.

Of course. It's far too early for any of us to know who is lying. Anyone who's made up their mind at this point is working solely off of bias and assumption.

Criminal charge = justice
Civil suit = money

Yes and no. Civil suit = justice as well, depending on how you define justice. If he really did rape her, then it's certainly a form of justice to have it brought to light, permanently killing his public perception and endorsement potential.

So you are saying that she will not file criminal charges because of coworkers but will file civil suit. WHere's the logic in that?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you've never been the victim of a serious crime. In short, you spend a lot of time thinking about it, and weighing both the pragmatic aspects of the impact that a court case will have on your life and the abstracts of feeling that justice must be done, etc. A lot can change in a year.

And once again, most rapes go unreported. The fact that she didn't file a criminal complaint is actually normal: If she was raped, then she would be in the minority if she had gone to the police. And at the end of the day, if there isn't some fairly convincing evidence that she was raped, then she'll lose the case anyways.

To me, the biggest problem is that she is not filing a criminal charge. Why not. That is the question. Why doesn't she?

Already answered, but I'll answer again for emphasis: because if you don't take immediate action after getting raped, filing a criminal complaint is an exercise in futility. Once the physical evidence is gone, it's virtually impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it without having witnesses.
 
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First of all, when your a professional athlete or "celebrity", you don't need to "force yourself" on to anybody. In fact, chicks are lining up to sleep for whatever reason. Second, why did it take this chick a whole year to try to file criminal charges? It's unfortunate that this happened to Big Ben because ESPN is going to have a field day with this. Now Pittsburgh fans are going to find out how it feels when we had to listen to the same bulls*** about "spygate" for almost a year straight. This chick will lose, she doesn't have a case.

What a contribution...about as insightful as your football observations. Sometimes people do things just because that's what floats their boat, so to speak... It took the chick a whole year to file CIVIL charges because that had to be done when Ben was in that jurisdiction again... She's never filed criminal charges because she alleges she was warned not to and harassed by casino management when she brought the matter to their attention. Lots of rape victims don't file charges because they are traumatized or expect to face backlash or initially blame themselves for allowing the situation to have occurred, especially in the so-called date or acquaintance rape as opposed to being assaulted by an unknown assailant. ESPN has gone out of it's way to ignore this, until it became impossible to...I hope they never seat you on anyone's jury.

At times I really think some of you live under a rock or in a cave...:rolleyes:

As for criminal charges, those are tougher to prove particularly if the alleged victim doesn't go to police immediately and submit to a rape kit. Absent that evidence it quickly becomes a he said she said where the criminal requirement to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 jurors is a tough one. In civil cases it's a preponderence of evidence and only 9 of 12 jurors need be convinced.

And people keep forgetting Ben isn't the only target of this civil case... She is alleging that she went to her employer and was harassed and intimidated as a result. There are several individuals named in this suit and if even one of them breaks ranks, or evidence points to them doing some of the things she has alleged, that could easily sway the preponderence of evidence in her favor in the eyes of many jurors.

The one other thing that has come to light is the fact that her attorney is not some wet behind the ears ambulance chaser. He's a former prosecutor and a highly respected trial attorney. Those guys don't tend to take cases they don't think they can win (or at least settle). If they're interested they usually do their own due diligence before filing any claims. He obviously has some reason to believe her or he's wasting his time and money.
 
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What a contribution...about as insightful as your football observations.

You're just pissed because I end up being right most of the time and you guys hate it. I tell it how it is and you guys can't stand it.

It took the chick a whole year to file CIVIL charges because that had to be done when Ben was in that jurisdiction again... She's never filed criminal charges because she alleges she was warned not to and harassed by casino management when she brought the matter to their attention.
That's her fault, I go to the police and sue the hotel. End of story.

Lots of rape victims don't file charges because they are traumatized or expect to face backlash or initially blame themselves for allowing the situation to have occurred, especially in the so-called date or acquaintance rape as opposed to being assaulted by an unknown assailant.
That is her fault then isn't it? If you get raped, you better report right away or your case will become weak like it is today. In fact, the police said they will not even attempt to look into it. After seeing pictures of her, I can tell why. Like I said before, this chick is done! Her name is out and everybody can look up her pictures. In the end, she's just another money hungry whore trying to take advantage of a celebrity.

ESPN has gone out of it's way to ignore this, until it became impossible to...I hope they never seat you on anyone's jury.As for criminal charges, those are tougher to prove particularly if the alleged victim doesn't go to police immediately and submit to a rape kit. Absent that evidence it quickly becomes a he said she said where the criminal requirement to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 jurors is a tough one. In civil cases it's a preponderence of evidence and only 9 of 12 jurors need be convinced.

She f***** up for not going straight to the police. Why wouldn't you want me on the jury? Is it because I can see right through this b****? She isn't the slight bit attractive and I don't believe Big Ben would force himself on her. This guy was dating some pretty hot chicks so it doesn't add it. I just read about how ESPN has ignored it, but I can't understand why? They just have exploited Erin Andrews after her naked video has been on the net for months.

The one other thing that has come to light is the fact that her attorney is not some wet behind the ears ambulance chaser. He's a former prosecutor and a highly respected trial attorney. Those guys don't tend to take cases they don't think they can win (or at least settle). If they're interested they usually do their own due diligence before filing any claims. He obviously has some reason to believe her or he's wasting his time and money.
This yahoo is hoping that he can get a settlement with Big Ben. I really hope Ben doesn't fold and this dumb b**** gets nothing. She doesn't have a case. Everybody will look at her and laugh.


Once again, the Bro throws down.
 
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You're just pissed because I end up being right most of the time and you guys hate it. I tell it how it is and you guys can't stand it.


That's her fault, I go to the police and sue the hotel. End of story.


That is her fault then isn't it? If you get raped, you better report right away or your case will become weak like it is today. In fact, the police said they will not even attempt to look into it. After seeing pictures of her, I can tell why. Like I said before, this chick is done! Her name is out and everybody can look up her pictures. In the end, she's just another money hungry whore trying to take advantage of a celebrity.



She f***** up for not going straight to the police. Why wouldn't you want me on the jury? Is it because I can see right through this b****? She isn't the slight bit attractive and I don't believe Big Ben would force himself on her. This guy was dating some pretty hot chicks so it doesn't add it. I just read about how ESPN has ignored it, but I can't understand why? They just have exploited Erin Andrews after her naked video has been on the net for months.


This yahoo is hoping that he can get a settlement with Big Ben. I really hope Ben doesn't fold and this dumb b**** gets nothing. She doesn't have a case. Everybody will look at her and laugh.


Once again, the Bro throws down.

You might want to look up the word "misogynist" in the dictionary and then take a good look in the mirror.
 
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LOL! I almost forgot, of coarse I thought that was only in the case of alcoholics.

I havent seen this here yet, but he hired a lawyer who's know as "The Wolf" or "The Go to Guy"

I think she may lose this case in a big way. We'll see.


LOL That would be David Cornwell, the guy who tried to get himself elected president of the NFLPA after he failed to make the finalist cut. If Ben had failed a drug test, Cornwell is the man. He helped write the league's drug policy when he was an assistant counsel back in the day. So he has carved quite a niche as the go to guy to get you off the hook when you fail a drug test. Big fish in a small pond, but he's got an ego to equal his high profile clients, though. Reggie Bush recently parted company with him because he wasn't making his civil case go away, just dragging it out and running up quite a tab. He used to be more of a settlement facilitator (he brokered Rickie Williams shot at returning to the NFL). Lately he's inclined to fight. But really he's a bit out of his league on this one. His expertise is more sports business law and league/contract related. His highest profile client before Ben was Darren McFadden...whom he represented in selecting marketing and player agents. He will likely (hopefully) be mostly Ben's legal consultant, outsourcing specialized local representation for Ben in Nevada.

I hope Ben didn't do it. I've always seen him as a bit of a hard headed dolt with a closet ego that is potentially problematic, and I still think just putting himself in this position is indicative of that. Thought he might have learned his lesson after the accident, but then he may have more than one lesson yet to learn. I know that boys just wanna have fun and all, but when an organization invests millions in you they should have a reasonable expectation that you are making a conscious effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. If your out there picking up every skank with a pulse that crosses your radar...you're not. They send rookies to symposiums every summer to learn what not to do off the field. I believe this is lesson one...
 
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You might want to look up the word "misogynist" in the dictionary and then take a good look in the mirror.


I'd spring for pay per view footage of wassup racing to the police station to report Ben forceably diddled him after cordially inviting him up to his room for a beer and some intelligent football talk...
 
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I hope Ben didn't do it. I've always seen him as a bit of a hard headed dolt with a closet ego that is potentially problematic, and I still think just putting himself in this position is indicative of that. Thought he might have learned his lesson after the accident, but then he may have more than one lesson yet to learn. I know that boys just wanna have fun and all, but when an organization invests millions in you they should have a reasonable expectation that you are making a conscious effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. If your out there picking up every skank with a pulse that crosses your radar...you're not. They send rookies to symposiums every summer to learn what not to do off the field. I believe this is lesson one...

Thanks for the lawyer info. I pretty much agree 100% with what you said, he does come across like a Dolt, if he put himself in a situation to allow this to even come up, like sleeping with the Hotel Staff while she was on the Clock, that was a Dumb Move.
 
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You might want to look up the word "misogynist" in the dictionary and then take a good look in the mirror.

I don't hate women at all. I don't like women that are either "gold diggers" or "fame whores". If you look up the accuser, you can tell she's lying.
 
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I don't hate women at all. I don't like women that are either "gold diggers" or "fame whores". If you look up the accuser, you can tell she's lying.

For every athlete that is falsely accused of sexual assault or some other wrong-doing, how many cases do you think there are of an athlete taking advantage of a woman thanks to his celebrity?
 
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