BGC 2021 LB/PTP Thread

2020 Patriots Season:
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BaconGrundleCandy

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I'll use this thread to discuss the LB position and potential PTP. It's a pretty top heavy group with some depth but it's July. Few things I always look for when scouting guys for NEP are ability to take on and blow up blocks/pullers, heavy hands and ability to play along los. Guys that can really handle themselves in the trenches. Whether it's through finess, ability to ID and hit run fits or physicality.

How I've graded the position.
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Tier 1


Micah Parsons - PSU 6'3/245


Dylan Moses - Alabama - 6'3/235


Chazz Surratt - UNC - 6'3/230


Jack Sanborn - Wisconsin - 6'2/235


Nick Bolton - Missouri - 6'/235


Erroll Thompson - Miss St - 6'1/250


Jabril Cox - LSU - 6'3/235


Noah Taylor - Virginia - 6'5/215


Baron Browning - OSU - 6'3/250



Tier 2A
James Skalski - Clemson - 6'/235


Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah - Notre Dame - 6'1/215


Nate Landman - Colorado - 6'3/230


Isaiah Moore - N.C. State - 6'2/240


Zane Zandier - Virginia - 6'3/230


Merlin Robertson - Arizona St - 6'3/250


Garret Wallow - TCU - 6'2/21


Joseph Ossai - Texas - 6'4/245 *


K.J. Britt - Auburn - 6'/235


Anthony Hines - Texas A&M - 6'3/225



Tier 2B
Tuf Borland - OSU - 6'1/230


Paddy Fisher - Northwestern - 6'4/245


Anthony Ekpe - Ball St. - 6'/235


Isaac Slade-Mataulia - Oregon - 6'1/235


Joe Dillon - ULL - 6'3/220


Zaven Collins - Tulsa - 6'4/255


Cameron McGrone -Michigan - 6'1/230


Blake Gallagher - Northwestern - 6'1/235

Riko Jeffers - Texas Tech - 6'2/240


Tony Fields - Arizona - 6'1/220


Mohamed Sanogo - Ole Miss - 6'2/245


James Houston - Florida - 6'1/235


Devin Lloyd - Utah - 6'3/235


Mike Rose - Iowa St - 6'3/240



Tier 3
Max Richardson - B.C. - 6'/230


Jake Hansen - Illinois - 6'1/225


Antijuan Simmons - Michigan St - 6'/215


Bumper Pool - Arkansas - 6'2/230


Monty Rice - Georgia - 6'1/235


Ernest Jones - South Carolina - 6'2/235


Derrick Barnes - Purdue - 6'1/245


Jacquez Jones - Ole Miss - 6'235


Colin Schooler - Arizona - 6'1/230


Palaie Gaoteote - USC - 6'2/250


Caleb Kelly - Oklahoma - 6'3/225


Jordan Williams - Ball St - 6'4/230


Ventrell Miller - Florida - 6'/225


Ayinde Eley - Maryland -6'3/225


Micah McFadden - Indiana - 6'2/230




Tier 4
Kuony Deng - Cal - 6'6/220


Ale Kaho - Alabama - 6'1/230


O’Rien Vance - Iowa St - 6'1/230


Cam Jones - Indiana - 6'3/225


Rayshard Ashby - Virginia Tech - 5'10/235


Carlton Martial - Troy - 5'10/215


DeAndre Square - Kentucky - 6'1/205


Jahad Woods - Wash St/ 6'1/230


Dorian Etheridge - Louisville - 6'3/230


Charlie Thomas - Georgia Tech - 6'2/210


Troy Brown - Central Michigan - 6'2/205


Markees Watts - Charlotte - 6'2/215


Charles Snowden - Virginia - 6'6/235


Jamar Watson - Kentucky - 6'3/245


Cameron Goode - Cal - 6'3/235



Zach McCloud - Miami - 6'2/235


Buddy Johnson - Texas A&M - 6'2/230


Christian Allbright - Ball St - 6'2/235


Lakia Henry - Ole Miss - 6'/235


Anthony Pandy - Arizona - 6'/225


David Curry - Georgia Tech - 6'2/230


Amen Ogbongbemiga - Ok St - 6'1/225

Jacobi Hearn - New Mexico - 6'/230


Justus Rogers - Wash St - 6'2/230


CJ Avery - Louisville - 5'11/220


Blaze Alldredge - Rice - 6'2/220


Akeleis Leroy - FAU - 5'11/235


Cornel Jones - FSU - 6'2/235


Lawrence Garner - Old Dominion - 6'3/230

Kristopher Moll - UAB - 6'1/215


DQ Thomas - MTSU - 6'2/215

Olakunle Fatukasi - Rutgers - 6'1/230


Tyshon Fogg - Rutgers - 6’1/235


Justin Rice - Fresno St - 6'2/225


Elijah Sullivan - Kansas St - 6'/210
 
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captain stone

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Appreciate these pre-season listings; they give me something on which to look back when starting my draft research during Christmas vacation...A couple of thoughts on those prior lists:

2012 - Not a LB question, but what did you think of Marvin Jones that year (didn't see his name among the WRs shown beside the LB list, thus my curiosity)? He was a binkie of some of us in the forum who thought that his value started as early as late 3rd round...

2014 - KVN is shown lotsa love here; did you see him as just a 3-4 forward-moving OLB (as I did), or did you see hybrid sideline-to-sideline versatility in him already?

2018 - I also thought highly of Genard Avery; he & Micah Kiser were Infinity times better prospects at 143 than JaWrong Bentley was, and still is...but what was it about Kiser that gave him a grade closer to Christian Sam (whom I also liked better than Bentley; hell I liked Leon Jacobs WAY more than Bentley) than to Avery?

2017 - Sorry, but...Boney Tony right there with Ryan Ramczyk?!?

2016 - And may Almighty God damn Stokoe to Hell forever for denying us the opportunity to steal Myles Jack with our 1st-rounder...
 

JerseyShore99

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Parsons and Moses will both be franchise LBs

Skalski I like a ton, reminds me of Spikes, but built for old school NFL

Jones from Indiana I like a lot as well
 

BaconGrundleCandy

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Appreciate these pre-season listings; they give me something on which to look back when starting my draft research during Christmas vacation...A couple of thoughts on those prior lists:

2012 - Not a LB question, but what did you think of Marvin Jones that year (didn't see his name among the WRs shown beside the LB list, thus my curiosity)? He was a binkie of some of us in the forum who thought that his value started as early as late 3rd round...

2014 - KVN is shown lotsa love here; did you see him as just a 3-4 forward-moving OLB (as I did), or did you see hybrid sideline-to-sideline versatility in him already?

2018 - I also thought highly of Genard Avery; he & Micah Kiser were Infinity times better prospects at 143 than JaWrong Bentley was, and still is...but what was it about Kiser that gave him a grade closer to Christian Sam (whom I also liked better than Bentley; hell I liked Leon Jacobs WAY more than Bentley) than to Avery?

2017 - Sorry, but...Boney Tony right there with Ryan Ramczyk?!?

2016 - And may Almighty God damn Stokoe to Hell forever for denying us the opportunity to steal Myles Jack with our 1st-rounder...
99.9% of the time I don't have someone listed is bc I couldn't/didn't watch them enough/lack of tape, just didn't get around to it. Sometimes I just forget, getting caught up in it. It happens. I probably would've had him higher than the 5th round, where he went but who knows.

I thought KVN would flourish under any scheme honestly. Always wanted him closer to the ball. Bill played him perfectly. I think we'll look back and seen that. I think he balls out in Mia but probably had his best years here.


I don't rank prospects. I probably couldn't without letting bias come through. I still put in my opinion in bits and pieces but I grade on position traits. Then add in combine, my thoughts and average the two. Just let it fall that way. Anytime you do that and really let the results play out you'll have outliers and weird **** happen.
So I never care who's in front of who even though that's all that everyone cares about. I always wanted to hit on the specific prospect and tell you about him. Where he'll go. Not getting 1, 2, 3, 4 - 10 right. That's boring to me again even though that's literally what everyone else cares about. It usually works itself out and I end up happy.

TBhelmut ran #'s but not enough using the AV from pfr. I need to get grades from others to compare. He ran mine and NFL so far.

We could've had Jack and both Smiths. Telvin and Jaylon. Cowboys deserve a ton of credit for Smith. I mean he was roadkill after that injury.
 

captain stone

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...We could've had Jack and both Smiths. Telvin and Jaylon. Cowboys deserve a ton of credit for Smith. I mean he was roadkill after that injury.
Yeah I also liked Telvin Smith for us, at either 130 or 140, even if he didn't exactly match our usual physical profile for the position...I thought he was one of the BPAs regardless of position and that he would've made a nice sideline-to-sideline complement to Hightower & Collins...
 

BaconGrundleCandy

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Yeah I also liked Telvin Smith for us, at either 130 or 140, even if he didn't exactly match our usual physical profile for the position...I thought he was one of the BPAs regardless of position and that he would've made a nice sideline-to-sideline complement to Hightower & Collins...
Yea I thought he could've been Bill's mythical hybrid he was searching after for about a decade.
 

BaconGrundleCandy

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Tony Fields, Arizona transfer now at WVU. Having a good year. Doesn't fit our type at LB but has been all the field this year. Rushing the QB off the edge - blitzing. Welcomes contact even though he's about 225. Love how chippy he is in coverage. Doesn't cross the line but will reroute crossers and have no problem touching them up a little bit with a forearm or shove. Decent eyes playing the hole defender. Got his first pick the other week. That defense has some other players on it as well.

Baron Browing is someone who might fit our type and someone I'll have my eye on. 6'3/250 - ish. Versatile played OLB in HS. Moved around a little but played inside last year, mostly as 3rd/4th LB. Going back outside this and is on record saying he's most comfortable at SAM. He's shown he can do a little bit of everything. You want to see him lock down and own a role. He's someone we might be interested in if that happens and build off that. Hoping he's put on a few pounds bc I think SAM is his fit as well.

KJ Britt is someone I could see us taking a shot at in the early-mid rounds. Has been one of the leaders on that defense for a minute now. Has been a great defender by PFF and he is good but his tackling technique is inconsistent imo. Still, fearless shooting gaps. Wants to play behind the line. Has played almost every position at LB but will mostly be inside next level. Seems like a smart player. Someone who make dumb mistakes but not flashy plays either. Good reads against the run for the most part and guesses right when he has to. Can rock back and forth. Patrol that shallow zone. Not someone who can hang with RB/TE. Reminds me a little bit of Roberts, Bentley ... Not sure if that's a good thing but so many things go into a player working out. Obviously someone likes Roberts if he's still playing? Physical guys that lack athleticism. Good teammates. Can be solid but exploited at times. Not the best COD (change of direction) Coaches love these guys bc they're football players who love being coached.
 

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