BGC 2020 S/PTP Thread

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sircole

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
2020 NFL Draft: Grant Delpit and the perils of the hype monster

But it is when the tackling aspect of Delpit’s game comes up that the questions arise. As a safety, tackling is enormous. Notably, though, for Delpit, who has a skillset designed for versatility in the modern NFL. He could be used as a chess piece, but the tackling issues are going to make him less likely to play down in the box. And even where he likely fits best, as a single-high safety, Delpit is going to be the last line of the defense when someone misses their run fit or a big passing play happens, and he is the only one in range to make a play. He missed 20 tackles in 2019, and the tackling woes are naturally going to scare some teams away.

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Snooky97

In the Starting Line-Up
Delpit did suffer injuries this season that affected his ability to tackle. His range is better than he gets credit for.
 

sircole

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
No, Grant Delpit has tackling issues.

They were there in LSU second game of the season at Texas, especially against Devin Duvernay, and he wasn't injured before that game because the week before they were going half-speed demolishing Georgia Southern in their opener.

The issues were also present in his 2018 stats and he wasn't injured then either.

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Now he can clean them up, but tackling is a consistent weakness of his.
 

Snooky97

In the Starting Line-Up
No, Grant Delpit has tackling issues.

They were there in LSU second game of the season at Texas, especially against Devin Duvernay, and he wasn't injured before that game because the week before they were going half-speed demolishing Georgia Southern in their opener.

The issues were also present in his 2018 stats and he wasn't injured then either.

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Now he can clean them up, but tackling is a consistent weakness of his.

Even though there is an issue with it, I still think he’s worth it. Tackling issues can be sorted. His ankle plagued him and made a difference
 

sircole

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
Even though there is an issue with it, I still think he’s worth it. Tackling issues can be sorted. His ankle plagued him and made a difference

He could still be worth a pick, but at what draft capital cost?

For me, #23 in the first round is too much for a safety with tackling issues.

 

sircole

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
2020 NFL Scouting Combine winners/losers: S

Jeremy Chinn, S, Southern Illinois

Chinn earned this spot over fellow non-FBS safety prospect Kyle Dugger (Lenoir-Rhyne) due to a superior performance during on-field drills. Chinn has a thick build (6-3, 221), but his hips were fluid and he adjusted to the ball well in the air. He extended away from his body to grab passes, as well. I think Chinn might have hit his head on the Lucas Oil Stadium roof with a 41-inch vertical (just behind Dugger's 42-inch jump) and his 11-6 broad jump tied for second best among all 2020 combine participants. He also ran an impressive 4.45 40. Chinn's game film and work at the Senior Bowl in January were appreciated by scouts, too, but I think he gained a few more fans with his Indy workout.

K'Von Wallace, S, Clemson
There is always strong competition among safeties looking for coveted Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) draft slots. Wallace's tape is good enough to earn him a draft slot in that range, and I believe he cemented a Day 2 spot with his work in Indy. His 4.53 40 at 206 pounds was solid and he also jumped well (38-inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump). He was the most polished safety in defensive back drills, in terms of transitioning from backpedal to forward motion. Wallace didn't catch every pass thrown his way but snatched enough for me to say he had a positive day.

Geno Stone, S, Iowa
A solid player for the Hawkeyes, Stone entered the draft as a junior. While NFL scouts knew he was not tall (5-10 3/8), they did not necessarily expect the below-average length (29 1/4 arms, 71-inch wingspan). Despite the shorter arms, Stone only managed 12 reps on the bench press. His 4.62 40 and jump results (33.5-inch vertical, 9-8 broad jump) won't help him. Stone had a hard time transitioning during drills due to stiff hips, as well. He did make a nice high-point catch on a deep pass, though.
 

miloofcroton

On the Game Day Roster
chinn’s tape is really impressive, I would be happy if after a red shirt year, he replaces Chung.

This is just a hunch, but I think they'd rather get two free safeties than commit to another guy who's a bit of a liability in coverage. I look at the Chiefs' safety duo as an example for what I mean.
 

Ochmed Jones

Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
This is just a hunch, but I think they'd rather get two free safeties than commit to another guy who's a bit of a liability in coverage. I look at the Chiefs' safety duo as an example for what I mean.

bb plays a pattern matching cover 3 defense. The deep safety is the most important position on the defense and responsible for a lot of communication.
The beauty of his defense is the safeties are interchangeable, as long as they can tackle.

So I think it is possible he could go with two free safeties one day, but they better be good tacklers with high courage for it.
 

miloofcroton

On the Game Day Roster
bb plays a pattern matching cover 3 defense. The deep safety is the most important position on the defense and responsible for a lot of communication.
The beauty of his defense is the safeties are interchangeable, as long as they can tackle.

So I think it is possible he could go with two free safeties one day, but they better be good tacklers with high courage for it.

What I mean is that they prefer two CB/S hybrids, not one pure CB/S and one S/LB. As slow as Chung is, he really is sort of a CB/S hybrid. He's played a lot of CB in his day.
 

miloofcroton

On the Game Day Roster
Just got done with the safeties at the combine. Lots of unimpressive people. McKinney, Chinn, Dugger to name a few guys that get lots of talk. Sure, they aren't going to look as good playing against air as they are contact players, but it still needs to be said.

I'm carrying over Troy Pride and Essang Bassey as FS prospects that I like. You can add K'Von Wallace to this list; solid but unspectacular.

JR Reed is my top S. Looks like an Eddie Jackson back there. True centerfielder.
 

BaconGrundleCandy

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Same deal as other threads. S/PTP discussion/breakdown. Should get some serious consideration considering the age & depth we have.


Tier 1

Grant Delpit 6'3/205 - LSU


Xavier McKinney 6'1/200 - Alabama


James Wiggins 6'/205 - Cincinnati


Isaiah Simmons 6'2/230 - Clemson


JR Reed 6'/195 - Georgia


Reed Blankenship 6'1/195 - MTSU


Jordan Fuller 6'2/205 - OSU



Tier 2
Richie Grant 6'/195 - UCF


Tariq Thompson 6'/200 - San Diego St


Brandon Jones 6'/205 - Texas


Greg Eisworth 6'/200 - Iowa St


Antoine Winfield Jr 5'10/205 - Minnesota


Khaleke Hudson 6'/220 - Michigan


Damar Hamlin 6'1/195 - Pittsburgh


Nigel Warrior 6'/190 - Tennessee


Hamsah Nasirildeen 6'4/215 - FSU


Daniel Thomas 5'11/210 - Auburn


Quentin Lake 6'/185 - UCLA


Joey Blount 6'1/190 - Virginia


JR Pace 6"1/200 - Northwestern


Alohi Gilman 5'11/205 - Notre Dame


Tanner Muse 6'1/230 - Clemson


Myles Dorn 6'2/210 - N. Carolina



Tier 3
Todd Harris Jr 5'11/185 - LSU


Garrett Davis 6'2/210 - Houston


Eric Burrell 6'/190 - Wisconsin


Josh Metellus 6'/205 - Michigan


Myles Woolfolk 6'/195 - N. Carolina


Deontay Anderson 6'/220 - Houston


Jarius Morehead 6'1/220 - NC State


Kenny Robinson Jr 6'2/200 - West Virginia


Kekoa Nawahine 6'2/210 - Boise St


Robert Barnes 6'2/210 - OK


K’Von Wallace 5'11/210 - Clemson


Antoine Brooks Jr 5'11/210 - Maryland



Tier 4
Ashtyn Davis 6'1/190 - California


Mikial Onu 5'11/205 - Colorado


Jeremiah Dinson 6'/190 - Auburn


David Dowell 6'1/195 - Michigan St


Reggie Floyd 6'/220 - Virginia Tech


Desmond Franklin 6'/200 - App St


Jaylinn Hawkins 6'2/205 - California


Shamad Lomax 6'/205 - New Mexico St


Jalen Elliott 6'1/205 - Notre Dame


Innis Gaines 6'2/205 - TCU


Austin Hall 6'2/215 - Memphis


Romeo Finley 6'1/215 - Miami


Myles Hartsfield 5'11/210 - Ole Miss


Jared Mayden 6'/200 - Alabama


Patrick Nelson 6'1/205 - SMU


DQ Thomas 5'10/200 - Southern Miss


Brody Hoying 5'11/205 - East Michigan

Hasan Defense 5'11/185 - Kansas
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