Reasoning is like math or feelings, not good or bad, it is simply reasoning. "Well reasoned" is your opinion.
Wrong. It’s either good reasoning or bad reasoning. Bad reasoning would be to just say BB sucks as a GM and needs to be replaced. Or just pointing out his great trades and ignoring the bad ones.
Good reasoning is showing those bad trades, defending the removal of one of them, and adding another one that wasn’t listed there while providing fact-based reasoning with the benefit of history. Bad reasoning would be rife with logical fallacies. Red herrings, straw men, ad hominem. Good reasoning is devoid of any of those things.
Give me any time in human history and I’ll give you an example of a decision that altered the course of history. One that shows reasoning isn’t subjective. It’s either well reasoned or poorly reasoned.
My opinion is:
1. Going back to 2006 is weak
Why? Was Bill not coaching the team then? Was he not operating as the team’s GM in 2006? If anything, one would think this could make your argument stronger. The article, and the OP, really needed to go back 17 years to find one?
2. Agree bad trade
3. Patriots did not get next to nothing, they got $20M, or whatever it was, in cap space to sign a guy who was hopefully not as crazy
Cap space being freed up to sign a “guy who was hopefully not as crazy,” is only part of a trade. This was one that I didn’t really agree with, though. Jones was in the final year of his deal and teams knew they didn’t have to surrender a 1st. The returns on the second round pick got us one of the better guards in the league and a key component in a Super Bowl run.
1. You have a problem with mentioning a trade in ‘06, but have no problem with analyzing a trade a whole three years later? You’re not being logically consistent. That does not logically compute. It was a bad trade.
2. The trade was objectively bad. I’d rather have had the two picks, considering how well he’s drafted in those rounds since he’s been here.
5. The Pats gave up two late round picks for Ochocinco. When the Pats trade a palyer getting back late round picks it is "next to nothing" but when the Pats give up "next to nothing" for Ochocinco it is a bad trade. Can' t have it both ways. Again weak IMO like #1.
Except one was one of the better edge rushers in the NFL and the other was cooked by the time the trade happened, and we were relying on him to stretch defenses and threaten them on the perimeter. This isn’t hindsight, either. A lot of us had our doubts about that trade when it happened.
6. Albert Haynesworth was a 5th round flyer. What is the writer's point? It should have been a 6th or 7th round pick? Again weak, see #1 and #5.
Meh, the article even says the trade wasn’t deplorable. I also liked this one, so there’s not much **** I could talk about it.
7. Duane Starks was a bad trade. Agreed.
8. Agree with the OP that this was based on heresy. Weak IMO, agreeing with the OP. See #1, #5, and #6.
So you’ll agree that the OP was well-reasoned? Nice to see you come to the light.
So there were a few bad trades in the list. As always written for clicks IMO.
Everything on the Internet is written for clicks. That doesn’t mean it should be dismissed. You even seem to agree with that since you’re partaking in the conversation.
The OP was nice to change the thread heading and Upstarter made a well reasoned positive trade list IMO, but you didn't mention Upstaters list.
Was upstater being attacked?
Your repeated posts that PatsFans is doomed because grumpy guys are challenged, and your ignoring Upstarter's positive post in order to again play Mother Theresa defending the downtrodden, is a tell.
You really should stop beating around the bush and just start with whatever your problem is, which is clearly this. It couldn’t be more obvious. I’ve never said the place is doomed, though you could easily argue that this medium is dying with the advent of social media and how board owners like Ian are competing for free time with social media and Reddit.
What I HAVE said, which hasn’t even been disputed in a group PM by the board owner, is that the conversation is stale and lifeless because the board has douched out hundreds of thousands of posts via the team being mediocre compounded with the fact that if anyone brings up reasonable analysis that is less than glowing, they’re met with ****posts like this…
It’s literally your chance to come here crying… N’Keal wasn’t a trade, stick to topic.
But September on Patriot’s forums are usually negative nancy paradise.
Dismissal of a well-reasoned post because, instead of considering the thread topic, this guy just wants to mass label everyone is criers.
FFS, did we really need to feed the trolls with another thread like this? We definitively don’t need more dwelling on the past here.
Don’t like the bad trades? You must be a troll and you need to be silenced from creating threads.
Labeling people as either trolls who secretly hate the team (number of years spent on the board be damned) or unrealistic homers isn’t necessarily a great way to keep the debate flowing around here. You lose members. Then you become what PatriotsPlanet currently is… a slow, stale board where a handful of contributors are keeping it alive instead of a vast array of different personalities with different opinions.
Once again, even Ian doesn’t think the board is better off. He can confirm he said that, and so can
@Ice_Ice_Brady. That ain’t me being “Mother Theresa.” That’s just a fact, my guy.
