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Ben Roethlisberger is one of the more overrated QB's in football.

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theone12

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But he has 2 rings? Yeah, about those. He rode Bettis and his stacked D to his first one. He had a nice game winning drive and a solid playoff run in his 2nd ring in 2008, but it was nothing special. And that game winning drive was after a 20-7 lead was blown. I will still give him that one, but it wasn't anything special or epic. Outside of that, this is what has been the career that has defined him as a "big game clutch" type of QB:

-Didn't do much until his team was down big against Brady in the 2005 AFC title game
-Missed the playoffs in 2006
-Missed the playoffs in 2009
-Choked on the final drive in the 2011 Super Bowl against Green Bay
-Took a few sacks that knocked his offense out of near fg range which took the game into OT that was lost on the first play against the Tebow Broncos.
- Threw game and season costly interceptions in weeks 15/16 against the Cowboys/Bengals that eliminated the Steelers from playoff contention
-Got off to an 0-4 start in 2013 and then choked in a critical game against Miami that basically knocked him out of the playoff race yet again
-After an amazing season including back to back 6 TD performances, fat rapist was punked all over his house by the Ravens D taking multiple sacks and throwing costly interceptions in a 30-17 wildcard playoff loss.
-This season...he got hurt which helps him, but he still laid a massive egg in week 16 against a depleted Ravens team and needed help to make the playoffs. Then he was so/so in the wildcard game, but the Bengals self-implosion gifted him last weeks win. Which leads us to today, 4th and 5 and comes up short. He can be defended somewhat due to Brown being out, him being out 4 games, but then he still came up short (Ravens game) when the pressure was on plus his history isn't exactly on his side.


IF we are going to bash all these other QB's, you might want to add Fat Rapist to the list as well.
 

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2 rings are 2 rings, anything else just sounds like the people who claimed that it was the defense that really won the Pats' first 3.

Roethlisberger looked merely okay today against a very good defense missing his top 2 RBs and best receiver. Holding that against him makes about as much sense as holding the 2013 AFCCG against Brady.
 

Galeb

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For all of the disagrees and dislikes on the first post, does any one of you think he's a "great" quarterback?
 

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The_Riddler

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I have a lot of respect for the way Ben plays this game. He leaves it all out on the field and he's the first to congratulate the winners after tough losses. I'll never forget him walking right up to Tom to congratulate him after their bitter, bitter 2004 AFCCG game loss at Heinz field. That stuck with me. Ben is also not only a big game QB, he's the first to shoulder any kind of blame for any big loss. Ben is elite in my book.
 

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But he has 2 rings? Yeah, about those. He rode Bettis and his stacked D to his first one. He had a nice game winning drive and a solid playoff run in his 2nd ring in 2008, but it was nothing special. And that game winning drive was after a 20-7 lead was blown. I will still give him that one, but it wasn't anything special or epic. Outside of that, this is what has been the career that has defined him as a "big game clutch" type of QB:

-Didn't do much until his team was down big against Brady in the 2005 AFC title game
-Missed the playoffs in 2006
-Missed the playoffs in 2009
-Choked on the final drive in the 2011 Super Bowl against Green Bay
-Took a few sacks that knocked his offense out of near fg range which took the game into OT that was lost on the first play against the Tebow Broncos.
- Threw game and season costly interceptions in weeks 15/16 against the Cowboys/Bengals that eliminated the Steelers from playoff contention
-Got off to an 0-4 start in 2013 and then choked in a critical game against Miami that basically knocked him out of the playoff race yet again
-After an amazing season including back to back 6 TD performances, fat rapist was punked all over his house by the Ravens D taking multiple sacks and throwing costly interceptions in a 30-17 wildcard playoff loss.
-This season...he got hurt which helps him, but he still laid a massive egg in week 16 against a depleted Ravens team and needed help to make the playoffs. Then he was so/so in the wildcard game, but the Bengals self-implosion gifted him last weeks win. Which leads us to today, 4th and 5 and comes up short. He can be defended somewhat due to Brown being out, him being out 4 games, but then he still came up short (Ravens game) when the pressure was on plus his history isn't exactly on his side.


IF we are going to bash all these other QB's, you might want to add Fat Rapist to the list as well.

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theone12

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Yep, and Pittsburgh is going to be the toughest opponent in the AFC next season.
A healthy Ravens team might have something to say about that. They OWN the Steelers (won 8 of 11 and 5 of their last 6 including whipping their asses in the playoffs a year ago.)
 

theone12

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I figured Patriot fans would come to the defense of the Fat Rapist. He never beat Brady in the playoffs nor is a threat to ever be a better QB than him. But Eli Manning has 2 SB rings as well and is called overrated? But you guys measure Fat Rapist by his ring count, so where does Eli count in this conversation? He has 2 rings and 2 game winning drives against Brady.
 

Patriot Missile

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Really? Really Really Donkey.

Hardly think for one second that if Antonio Brown plays in this game that Denver wins.
I give the guy a lot of credit for going out there and with a torn ligament and sprained ac joint and still almost winning the game despite some 3rd string rb fumbling away the game.

2 Super Bowl rings . There are less than 40 starting QBs living or dead on the Planet that have one. Never mind two. 4000 yards 28+TDs consistently. He is elite.
 

fightingirish595

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Big Ben is no Tom Brady. I think thats why your being so hard on him. You make a lot of interesting points, but I disagree with you. Big Ben is great. Is he a legend? no. A hall of famer? yes. The guy won 2 superbowls and led a game winning drive in one of them. As for his short comings in other years... look the Steelers play in a hard division where most years 3 of the teams are good. What we have seen from the pats the last 15 years is crazy and unheard of. I think your holding the standard way to high. So while you certainly point out facts, I just don't think it supports your argument
 
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