Belichick Interview With the 33rd Team

[Ian]

This is terrific if anyone hasn't seen it:

 

[Kasmir]

This is terrific if anyone hasn't seen it:

"...as a core special teams player [Matthew] Slater is the best of all time. I hope he gets recognized for that."

 

[crawhammer]

"...as a core special teams player [Matthew] Slater is the best of all time. I hope he gets recognized for that."

Career Special Teams TDs:

Devin Hester 20
Brian Mitchell 14
Eric Metcalf 13
Dante Hall 13
Josh Cribbs 11
Desmond Howard 10
Deion Sanders 9
Mel Gray 9
Darren Sproles 9
Jacoby Jones 9
Cordarrelle Patterson 9
Leon Washington 8
Gale Sayers 8
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dozens of other STers in between
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Matthew Slater 1 (FR in end zone)

But no matter, Slater is the GOAT.

 

[Ian]

Career Special Teams TDs:

Devin Hester 20
Brian Mitchell 14
Eric Metcalf 13
Dante Hall 13
Josh Cribbs 11
Desmond Howard 10
Deion Sanders 9
Mel Gray 9
Darren Sproles 9
Jacoby Jones 9
Cordarrelle Patterson 9
Leon Washington 8
Gale Sayers 8
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dozens of other STers in between
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Matthew Slater 1 (FR in end zone)

But no matter, Slater is the GOAT.

Not even relevant to the argument. Returners are completely different from the players who handle contain, make tackles, etc. Shedding blocks and consistently making plays is a skill that clearly goes unnoticed, especially for someone who has done it at both the level and duration he has.

 

[Dingleberry]

Not even relevant to the argument. Returners are completely different from the players who handle contain, make tackles, etc. Shedding blocks and consistently making plays is a skill that clearly goes unnoticed, especially for someone who has done it at both the level and duration he has.

Fantasy football mentality.

John Hannah had no TD's. He sucks.

 

[crawhammer]

Fantasy football mentality.

John Hannah had no TD's. He sucks.

John Hannah isn't being lauded as the GOAT STer. He's an all time G though... would you dispute that? He probably had dozens of plays too where he pancaked some defender that opened up a lane for an RB or gave his QB enough time to complete a big pass.

But yeah, I like points, so I'll favor the STers who actually contribute directly to the scoreboard.

Not even relevant to the argument. Returners are completely different from the players who handle contain, make tackles, etc. Shedding blocks and consistently making plays is a skill that clearly goes unnoticed, especially for someone who has done it at both the level and duration he has.

Returners are a lot more important too as are any STers (K, P) who consistently handle the football. Slater's "contributions" should go relatively unnoticed because they're relatively unimportant.

 

[Dingleberry]

John Hannah isn't being lauded as the GOAT STer. He's an all time G though... would you dispute that? He probably had dozens of plays too where he pancaked some defender that opened up a lane for an RB or gave his QB enough time to complete a big pass.

But yeah, I like points, so I'll favor the STers who actually contribute directly to the scoreboard.


Returners are a lot more important too as are any STers (K, P) who consistently handle the football. Slater's "contributions" should go relatively unnoticed because they're relatively unimportant.

Dismissing the "contributions" of the other 10 people who do not touch the ball really shows an ignorance of football. That's an embarrassing take.

I would imagine Belichick looks at Slater being integral to stopping an opposing returner inside the 20 multiple times per game as kind of important. I would also imagine he finds that more important than a returner who might score a TD once every two years.

I am guessing you look at # of INT's to determine who are the best CB's, and # of sacks to determine who are the best DL.

 

[Kasmir]

John Hannah isn't being lauded as the GOAT STer. He's an all time G though... would you dispute that? He probably had dozens of plays too where he pancaked some defender that opened up a lane for an RB or gave his QB enough time to complete a big pass.

But yeah, I like points, so I'll favor the STers who actually contribute directly to the scoreboard.


Returners are a lot more important too as are any STers (K, P) who consistently handle the football. Slater's "contributions" should go relatively unnoticed because they're relatively unimportant.

Shall we have a poll and ask how many here rate your knowledge of football vs Belichick's? Would you even vote for yourself?

 

[crawhammer]

I would imagine you look at # of INT's to determine who are the best CB's, and # of sacks to determine who are the best DL.

Do you want to go through it? Because yes, actually, leaders in INTs and sacks are generally pretty damn good.

The top 15 all time sack leaders are in the NFL HOF or will be once eligible (Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs).

14 of the 20 all time INT leaders are in the NFL HOF.

Dismissing the "contributions" of the other 10 people who do not touch the ball really shows an ignorance of football. That's an embarrassing take.

I'm not embarrassed at all. Anyone suggesting Slater is anywhere near the GOAT STer list should be though. And what's the implication of your comment here?... It takes the combined contributions of 10 players to equal that of the one player who's handling the football (on the rare occasion now that there's even a return at all).

I would imagine Belichick looks at Slater being integral to stopping an opposing returner inside the 20 multiple times per game as kind of important. I would also imagine he finds that more important than a returner who might score a TD once every two years.

Multiple times per game?? LOL try backing up that claim.

Also, the returner doesn't have to score to still make a relevant contribution. But when they do score it's often huge, week 11 Marcus Jones putting that game out of it's misery. Hines two KO returns in week 18. Recent examples.

 

[crawhammer]

Shall we have a poll and ask how many here rate your knowledge of football vs Belichick's? Would you even vote for yourself?

I wouldn't have hired Patricia with a gun to my head. Malcolm wouldn't have sat. No deferring in OT. Etc. Not claiming I'm more knowledgeable than Belichick, or than you, or than whoever, but I'm not buying IBWT either. Too many glaring mistakes.

 

[Dingleberry]

Do you want to go through it? Because yes, actually, leaders in INTs and sacks are generally pretty damn good.

The top 15 all time sack leaders are in the NFL HOF or will be once eligible (Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs).

14 of the 20 all time INT leaders are in the NFL HOF.


I'm not embarrassed at all. Anyone suggesting Slater is anywhere near the GOAT STer list should be though. And what's the implication of your comment here?... It takes the combined contributions of 10 players to equal that of the one player who's handling the football (on the rare occasion now that there's even a return at all).

No implication at all. I'll spell it out. It takes 11 players for that one guy to have a "TD" next to his name in the stat sheet.

Multiple times per game?? LOL try backing up that claim.

Also, the returner doesn't have to score to still make a relevant contribution. But when they do score it's often huge, week 11 Marcus Jones putting that game out of it's misery. Hines two KO returns in week 18. Recent examples.

So....."the returner doesn't have to score to still make a relevant contribution" according to you. Very true. However, a ST defender or blocker does not make a relevant contribution because he doesn't ever score. Nice logic.

Of course the leaders in INT's and sacks are pretty damn good. No ****. I said using basic stats as the determinant of greatness is simple and lazy. And a sign of fantasy football mentality. Or just a basic knowledge of football. How do you rate Richard Seymour against Suggs and Peppers?

There was a game years ago where Jerome Bettie had something like 4 TD's and 3 total yards rushing for the game. He pounded it in from the 1 yard line each time. See if you can figure out why I brought this up.

 

[crawhammer]

No implication at all. I'll spell it out. It takes 11 players for that one guy to have a "TD" next to his name in the stat sheet.

That's true. A contribution of some value is being made by everyone but the returner is making the biggest contribution. It's like a TD pass, sure, the OL and the four other players on the field get some of the credit but the QB and the receiver get more (with usually the QB getting the most). It's a matter of percentage importance (if you want to break it down that much which some people don't but that doesn't mean the percentages don't still exist).

So....."the returner doesn't have to score to still make a relevant contribution" according to you. Very true. However, a ST defender or blocker does not make a relevant contribution because he doesn't ever score. Nice logic.

I think you know what I mean. On an actual ST return, whether the end result is a TD or not, it's still the returner who is making the biggest contribution (in the obtained return yardage).

Of course the leaders in INT's and sacks are pretty damn good. No ****. I said using basic stats as the determinant of greatness is simple and lazy. And a sign of fantasy football mentality. Or just a basic knowledge of football. How do you rate Richard Seymour against Suggs and Peppers?

Peppers, Seymour, and then Suggs... in that order. Peppers and Seymour are close. Suggs is clear third. They're all great.

There was a game years ago where Jerome Bettie had something like 4 TD's and 3 total yards rushing for the game. He pounded it in from the 1 yard line each time. See if you can figure out why I brought this up.

To point out an incredibly unusual once in a lifetime occurrence that proves nothing about any argument you're making... did I hit the nail on the head?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Larry Whigham was my favorite special teams player.

 

[TheRainMaker]

How do you rate Richard Seymour against Suggs and Peppers?

Different players who played different positions. Based on sacks, Seymour gets lost in the dust. However, he was the type of player (3-4 End) teams tried to find so they could switch to a 3-4 in the early 2000's.

 

[Dingleberry]

That's true. A contribution of some value is being made by everyone but the returner is making the biggest contribution. It's like a TD pass, sure, the OL and the four other players on the field get some of the credit but the QB and the receiver get more (with usually the QB getting the most). It's a matter of percentage importance (if you want to break it down that much which some people don't but that doesn't mean the percentages don't still exist).


I think you know what I mean. On an actual ST return, whether the end result is a TD or not, it's still the returner who is making the biggest contribution (in the obtained return yardage).


Peppers, Seymour, and then Suggs... in that order. Peppers and Seymour are close. Suggs is clear third. They're all great.


To point out an incredibly unusual once in a lifetime occurrence that proves nothing about any argument you're making... did I hit the nail on the head?

No. You did not even hit your thumb much less the nail.

Stories with morals usually are an extreme example. Let me go with one we can all remember. 2018 SB run. Who dominated in the TD stat? That's right. Sony Michel. Was he the best player on the field in those playoffs? Was he 2nd best? Or even 3rd? No, no, and **** no.

I don't remember a lot of extraordinary broken tackles by Michel. In fact, not many of the runs were all that memorable. But I vividly recall some blocks by Gronk and especially Devlin that sprung Sony for big gains.

THAT is the message. Using TD's to determine the impact or worth of a player is idiotic. It is so simplistic.

You began this by saying that Slater's contributions (or "contributions") were unimportant. A player who is universally regarded by football coaches/experts as a premier ST player is virtually meaningless according to you. It's A dumb take.

Let's exit this debate in peace. You take a lot of unwarranted **** here, but I like your passion.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

John Hannah isn't being lauded as the GOAT STer. He's an all time G though... would you dispute that? He probably had dozens of plays too where he pancaked some defender that opened up a lane for an RB or gave his QB enough time to complete a big pass.

But yeah, I like points, so I'll favor the STers who actually contribute directly to the scoreboard.


Returners are a lot more important too as are any STers (K, P) who consistently handle the football. Slater's "contributions" should go relatively unnoticed because they're relatively unimportant.

That's the most stupid thing I've read on this board in quite a while.
Stick to your Fantasy football league.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Why do people reply to Crawhammer? Masochistic type of thing? Clearly his post is absurd. Isn't ignoring repeated obtuse posts the correct response?

 

[Dingleberry]

Why do people reply to Crawhammer? Masochistic type of thing? Clearly his post is absurd. Isn't ignoring repeated obtuse posts the correct response?

Guilty. I bowed out after the third time back and forth when I realized the incoming vortex.

I guess I miss that special little Mahomes fan who blocked me. Now that I don't see his posts, I forgot how to recognize stupidity from the onset.

 

[TheBeers]

Does anyone know who the interviewer is? It's clearly somebody who's played or coached for him in the past but I couldn't find it.

 

[Patsfan1958]

Does anyone know who the interviewer is? It's clearly somebody who's played or coached for him in the past but I couldn't find it.

This is the fourth piece from Bill Belichick’s sit-down interview with The 33rd Team’s Mike Tannenbaum, who worked in the front office of the New York Jets while the iconic New England Patriots’ coach was a member of the Jets’ coaching staff.