Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[festy1986]

We have Maye so why would you want to continue to suck.

I don't want to suck my friend. What I want and what the Patriots are are two different things.

There's no way this is more than a four-win team. I don't know what you thought you were getting into this season but you would know that if you were being completely honest with yourself.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't want to suck my friend. What I want and what the Patriots are are two different things.

There's no way this is more than a four-win team. I don't know what you thought you were getting into this season but you would know that if you were being completely honest with yourself.

You think there is no way this team can win 3 more games? And more to the point you don't see any value in doing it? It's a small increment but I'd prefer winning more than Bill did last year as there's a small amount of proof of concept if Mayo and the crew can pull that off.

But sounds like you've already decided that 2 wins and blowing everyone out of town would be a better outcome.

 

[festy1986]

You think there is no way this team can win 3 more games? And more to the point you don't see any value in doing it? It's a small increment but I'd prefer winning more than Bill did last year as there's a small amount of proof of concept if Mayo and the crew can pull that off.

But sounds like you've already decided that 2 wins and blowing everyone out of town would be a better outcome.

I can't believe you're arguing in defense of the 2024 Patriots.

There is no value in winning 5 games. None.

 

[Tunescribe]

Name the 10 best players on that 2001 Patriots team as it's almost certain that they were all taken in the first three rounds.

Seymour, McGinnest and Bledsoe were all top 6 picks.

Milloy, law, Johnson and light and bruschi all in the top 3 rounds.

But ya man. The team was all waiver wire.

You are shifting your argument. Every team in the league has the first three rounds to draft from every year unless they trade out. The claim you erroneously have emphasized is that a team must pick high for multiple years before it can accumulate enough talent to build a winning team. As I've said, if that was true teams like the Jete would be perennial division winners. Also as I've pointed out, it's not how high you're drafting, it's how SMART you're drafting.

Not to mention Kevin faulk , Adrian klem, tebucky Jones and even Terry Glenn. The team was low key stacked with home grown top round talent and highly disrespected.

As a fan of the Patriots you probably shouldn't contribute to the fact that they were just peons.

You make no sense. The 2001 Patriots won on coaching, special teams and defense with an offense ranked 19th overall in yards gained, led by a sixth-round QB starting for the first time. In fact, talent-wise the Pats arguably had the weakest group of skill-position players among all playoff teams that year. The Rams were "stacked," not New England. Talent didn't win the Lombardi that year, a team used to scratching and clawing did.

 

[festy1986]

You are shifting your argument. Every team in the league has the first three rounds to draft from every year unless they trade out. The claim you erroneously have emphasized is that a team must pick high for multiple years before it can accumulate enough talent to build a winning team. As I've said, if that was true teams like the Jete would be perennial division winners. Also as I've pointed out, it's not how high you're drafting, it's how SMART you're drafting.



You make no sense. The 2001 Patriots won on coaching, special teams and defense with an offense ranked 19th overall in yards gained, led by a sixth-round QB starting for the first time. In fact, talent-wise the Pats arguably had the weakest group of skill-position players among all playoff teams that year. The Rams were "stacked," not New England. Talent didn't win the Lombardi that year, a team used to scratching and clawing did.

There is no argument. I'm saying that having a higher pick is better for us to get better talent where as you're saying that we don't need higher picks to get better talent. I didn't say anything about MUST pick high. I didn't say anything about ONLY high picks. Who said that? When did I say that?

If you're arguing that you'd rather have pick 15 and 7 wins instead of 4 wins and pick 2, especially now when you already know they're currently 2 and 6 then I'm telling you that's hogwash. It's the loser mentality that you're accusing my take of being.

Your arguments on the 2001 team are from 2001. In hindsight those arguments dont make sense.

If you want to pull statistics that prove that winning some useless games in a lost season changed the fortunes and outlook of your team than by all means show it.


It's gonna be impossible for you to find them for such a subjective take but I'll humor it.

 

[signbabybrady]

I can't believe you're arguing in defense of the 2024 Patriots.

There is no value in winning 5 games. None.

Mayo, AVP, Covington, Wolf, Maye, and the Kraft's don't agree.

 

[signbabybrady]

There is no argument. I'm saying that having a higher pick is better for us to get better talent where as you're saying that we don't need higher picks to get better talent. I didn't say anything about MUST pick high. I didn't say anything about ONLY high picks. Who said that? When did I say that?

If you're arguing that you'd rather have pick 15 and 7 wins instead of 4 wins and pick 2, especially now when you already know they're currently 2 and 6 then I'm telling you that's hogwash. It's the loser mentality that you're accusing my take of being.

Your arguments on the 2001 team are from 2001. In hindsight those arguments dont make sense.

If you want to pull statistics that prove that winning some useless games in a lost season changed the fortunes and outlook of your team than by all means show it.


It's gonna be impossible for you to find them for such a subjective take but I'll humor it.

I know for a fact more teams have gradually climbed the ladder to a title then have gone worst to first. If you have some stats to refute by all means please share.

 

[Tunescribe]

There is no argument. I'm saying that having a higher pick is better for us to get better talent where as you're saying that we don't need higher picks to get better talent. I didn't say anything about MUST pick high. I didn't say anything about ONLY high picks. Who said that? When did I say that?

If you're arguing that you'd rather have pick 15 and 7 wins instead of 4 wins and pick 2, especially now when you already know they're currently 2 and 6 then I'm telling you that's hogwash. It's the loser mentality that you're accusing my take of being.

Your arguments on the 2001 team are from 2001. In hindsight those arguments dont make sense.

If you want to pull statistics that prove that winning some useless games in a lost season changed the fortunes and outlook of your team than by all means show it.


It's gonna be impossible for you to find them for such a subjective take but I'll humor it.

There are no such things as "winning useless games" or a "lost season" if you're in the process of building a winning program with a rookie head coach, rookie quarterback, new staff and new front office. For you to suggest as much indicates little understanding of the way things work.

 

[signbabybrady]

There is no argument. I'm saying that having a higher pick is better for us to get better talent where as you're saying that we don't need higher picks to get better talent. I didn't say anything about MUST pick high. I didn't say anything about ONLY high picks. Who said that? When did I say that?

If you're arguing that you'd rather have pick 15 and 7 wins instead of 4 wins and pick 2, especially now when you already know they're currently 2 and 6 then I'm telling you that's hogwash. It's the loser mentality that you're accusing my take of being.

Your arguments on the 2001 team are from 2001. In hindsight those arguments dont make sense.

If you want to pull statistics that prove that winning some useless games in a lost season changed the fortunes and outlook of your team than by all means show it.


It's gonna be impossible for you to find them for such a subjective take but I'll humor it.

So here are the numbers. And just to help you out a little I went with SB appearances not even wins.

Only 24 times has a team gone from .500 or less one year to the SB the next. With 10 of them being .500.

4 is the least number of wins the prior year and that's only happened 4 times.

 

[TommyD4207]

Mayo, AVP, Covington, Wolf, Maye, and the Kraft's don't agree.

If we have more talent on the team, then I would agree with you, as a season to find positives to build on.
But we need pieces, the best ones we can get.

 

[festy1986]

Mayo, AVP, Covington, Wolf, Maye, and the Kraft's don't agree.

That's it?

 

[festy1986]

I know for a fact more teams have gradually climbed the ladder to a title then have gone worst to first. If you have some stats to refute by all means please share.

You don't.

 

[festy1986]

There are no such things as "winning useless games" or a "lost season" if you're in the process of building a winning program with a rookie head coach, rookie quarterback, new staff and new front office. For you to suggest as much indicates little understanding of the way things work.

The only thing is suggest is my ability to read what's happening is processing alot quicker than yours.

None of those people are "new" except Maye and conveniently enough he's the only one that's going to be sticking around.

It was a useless win. No one is going to be screaming we won the Superbowl in 2026 because they won 6 games this year vs 4. Not a single person. Not even you.

You'll be saying they won the Superbowl because they nailed the draft.

 

[festy1986]

So here are the numbers. And just to help you out a little I went with SB appearances not even wins.

Only 24 times has a team gone from .500 or less one year to the SB the next. With 10 of them being .500.

4 is the least number of wins the prior year and that's only happened 4 times.

This does help. It helps me understand that you clearly are out to lunch with where this roster is.

I'm not worried about winning this year due to some magical pie in the sky hope that it brings us better odds of winning the Superbowl next year.

If this team rolls out the same coach, the same GM and the same WR crew then we will be in the same situation next year.

And before you go claiming that they won't, just remember, they haven't addressed the WR problem in over a decade.

This team isn't winning the Superbowl next year. I doubt they're even competing for a playoff spot.

The only way to do what it is you keep posting is to get players through the draft.

And the Patriots have shown that unless it's a top 3 pick they aren't very good at that.

 

[signbabybrady]

This does help. It helps me understand that you clearly are out to lunch with where this roster is.

I'm not worried about winning this year due to some magical pie in the sky hope that it brings us better odds of winning the Superbowl next year.

If this team rolls out the same coach, the same GM and the same WR crew then we will be in the same situation next year.

And before you go claiming that they won't, just remember, they haven't addressed the WR problem in over a decade.

This team isn't winning the Superbowl next year. I doubt they're even competing for a playoff spot.

The only way to do what it is you keep posting is to get players through the draft.

And the Patriots have shown that unless it's a top 3 pick they aren't very good at that.

Unless you're going to counter the argument with any facts that show losing more will actually lead to winning then you are the one who is out to lunch.

The Internet is pretty vast surely you can find some data that shows a top 5 selection gets you back to the playoffs faster than 5-15. Or any kind of fact that supports your argument.

 

[Toofy]

I think winning elevates the entire team and probably helps player find out their untapped potential . We have our QB, others will follow, no need to tank. Darnell Mooney , amon ra st brown , reed are players where QB has elevated them. Same goes for offensive line. So if we find 3 or 4 wide receivers and 3 solid offensive linemen this season we really don't need so many picks.

Same goes on defense . Majority of defense studs are drafted in middle and later rounds . And as you win you unearth some gems . Let's hope we are able to unearth some players this season. For me , Lowe and brown on Oline are some finds along with Boutte . Emergence of gonzo is a plus. Marcus Jones is performing on above average level as a CB and should be a solid slot. Henry is becoming more na dmore reliable safety valve while Douglas is slowly coming on his own like Edelman .

The coaching left lot to be desired , but slow baby steps are happening. Let's see how it goes. Draft is no guarantee that we we pick the best. Case in point panthers or bears . Jags have a solid talent but are not going anywhere.

 

[Tunescribe]

The only thing is suggest is my ability to read what's happening is processing alot quicker than yours.

None of those people are "new" except Maye and conveniently enough he's the only one that's going to be sticking around.

It was a useless win. No one is going to be screaming we won the Superbowl in 2026 because they won 6 games this year vs 4. Not a single person. Not even you.

You'll be saying they won the Superbowl because they nailed the draft.

You need remedial instruction. Thankfully, that's not my responsibility.

@signbabybrady It's not yours, either. Indulging someone so fundamentally ignorant of how things work is a real time waster.

 

[XLIX]

If it was such a flawless strategy then very few teams would get stuck at the bottom like that yet it's a way more

I never said it was a flawless strategy and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. And a lot of poorly run teams get “stuck at the bottom” because they are so poorly run and select JaMarcus Russel, Mark Sanchez or Matt Leinart in the top 5.

If you have multiple top 5 picks, and you make good selections with them, you won’t be “stuck at the bottom.”

common thing to suck that bad and stay stuck then it is to parlay multiple top 5 picks directly into a SB.

As a loyal Patriots fan since February, 2002, here’s what you don’t understand: Winning Super Bowls is extremely difficult. No matter what strategy you support, anyone can always respond with “it is far, far more likely you will never win a Super Bowl with that strategy than it is that you do win it so that strategy sucks!”

 

[Steve102]

@signbabybrady @Tunescribe

Didn't the Pats just beat a team with better talent? Aren't they tied in the standings with same said team? Your man is having an Andy moment. Leave him be. He's married to a position that is incorrect.

 

[archstanton543]

@signbabybrady @Tunescribe

Didn't the Pats just beat a team with better talent? Aren't they tied in the standings with same said team? Your man is having an Andy moment. Leave him be. He's married to a position that is incorrect.

They beat a team with an aging disinterested QB and an interim head coach.