Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[Toofy]

There were so many unknowns that it becomes difficult to know if it's coaching, talent or combination .

How do you evaluate coaching if the players cannot execute ?

How do you know which plays it's more about coaching and not execution.

The below podcast is fantastic and brings in some new perspectives because the people playing more than 70% of snaps in defense were players who played less than 5% of snaps last year

ekuale ( 70% vs 5 %) , Ellis ( 60% vs 0 % ) , mapu ( 50% vs 0 ), Roy ( 60% vs 0)

 

[archstanton543]

I'm purposely not answering it because your question has nothing to do with my previous statement.

Sure it does. You said Flores was an outlier.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is not all on Mayo.

This is on the Krafts.

If you end up firing your new coach after one year, you're a bad owner and you don't know what you're doing.

What makes this even worse is that Mayo has not actually had the support he needed to succeed.

He doesn't have great coaches on the offensive side, the front office shot blanks in free agency, and Mayo himself compounded the drop in team culture with his public pronouncements and touchy feeling Pete Carrollish rah-rah routine.

Mayo is going to be a convenient scapegoat, but I will never be convinced he wouldn't have succeeded as a coach if he actually had proper support and also proper seasoning. It is Mayo's fault at the end of the day because he's a coach who can be scapegoated and he went into this situation willingly pushing out his old coach.

Bottom line: this is Kraft's failure.

“Shooting blanks” in free agency when the free agent market is total dogshit is a good thing. Other than a couple of players it was a bunch of overpriced jags that idiot fans wanted their team’s to dole out big bucks to in a desperate bid to get better. Knowing who and when to spend for matters much more than just spending to spend, as Belichick did when he loaded up in free agency and got almost nothing out of it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bedard is buddies with Wolf.

This is Wolf leaking that Mayo is getting canned in a few weeks if he doesn't fix this ****.

Where does this information come from?

 

[Thelonious]

Perhaps Maye playing well will have a paradoxical effect: Kraft might look at the situation and say, "We now have our franchise QB, but the rest of this sucks and I have to make a change now." It may spur firings instead of helping Mayo.

One can only hope.

 

[Thelonious]

I recently began a course on the thinking of that famously obscure philosopher Martin Heidegger. I decided to do the week's reading this morning and found myself thinking as I read about the present situation in which the Patriots find themselves, and about commentary on it. I wasn't making very good progress following the book's discussion of such assertions as,"'Being' is not something like a being but is rather "what determines beings as beings." It does not help that I decided half way through the first session that Heidegger was full of **** and that the professor is a preening blowhard. The course is going to be a slog.

So as I was following Heidgger in his struggles with the obvious. (I double-majored in English and Philosophy, so I'm fine with a little obscurity and obtuseness, but there are limits.), I couldn't help but think of all the commentators, professional and otherwise, who generate similar interminable gibberish about the Pats' situation as Heidegger does regarding the existence of potted plants. The owner is clueless. The coaches are not up to their jobs. The GM is a jackass. And the roster blows. Bloviate if you must, gridiron Heideggers, but what is is. I'd say the same thing to you all as I would to Heidegger: get a clue.

This is not a time for elaborate exploration of nuance: this is a time to take note of the obvious, and to deal with it.

 

[turkeyneck]

I recently began a course on the thinking of that famously obscure philosopher Martin Heidegger. I decided to do the week's reading this morning and found myself thinking as I read about the present situation in which the Patriots find themselves, and about commentary on it. I wasn't making very good progress following the book's discussion of such assertions as,"'Being' is not something like a being but is rather "what determines beings as beings." It does not help that I decided half way through the first session that Heidegger was full of **** and that the professor is a preening blowhard. The course is going to be a slog.

So as I was following Heidgger in his struggles with the obvious. (I double-majored in English and Philosophy, so I'm fine with a little obscurity and obtuseness, but there are limits.), I couldn't help but think of all the commentators, professional and otherwise, who generate similar interminable gibberish about the Pats' situation as Heidegger does regarding the existence of potted plants. The owner is clueless. The coaches are not up to their jobs. The GM is a jackass. And the roster blows. Bloviate if you must, gridiron Heideggers, but what is is. I'd say the same thing to you all as I would to Heidegger: get a clue.

This is not a time for elaborate exploration of nuance: this is a time to take note of the obvious, and to deal with it.

"I bloviate, therefor I be." - Patsfan Heidegger

... sorry, René ...

 

[Ring 6]

There were so many unknowns that it becomes difficult to know if it's coaching, talent or combination .

How do you evaluate coaching if the players cannot execute ?

How do you know which plays it's more about coaching and not execution.

The below podcast is fantastic and brings in some new perspectives because the people playing more than 70% of snaps in defense were players who played less than 5% of snaps last year

ekuale ( 70% vs 5 %) , Ellis ( 60% vs 0 % ) , mapu ( 50% vs 0 ), Roy ( 60% vs 0)

The primary issue with this team is that (hopefully aside from
Maye) pretty much everything it did this off-season was terrible. They left 40,000,000 on the table which is the reason those guys are playing.
Having 4 guys getting playing time (your snaps counts are wrong btw) isn’t a problem. Having bad players is.

On top of that the coaching is bad. We don’t stop the run, we don’t stop the pass. We don’t get pressure. We literally sit back and let them abuse the weaknesses.

BTW those guys weren’t not getting snaps last year because better players were ahead of them (except ekuake) they weren’t getting snaps because they were rookies, injured or not here.

 

[Ring 6]

“Shooting blanks” in free agency when the free agent market is total dogshit is a good thing. Other than a couple of players it was a bunch of overpriced jags that idiot fans wanted their team’s to dole out big bucks to in a desperate bid to get better. Knowing who and when to spend for matters much more than just spending to spend, as Belichick did when he loaded up in free agency and got almost nothing out of it.

Your statement is patently false. There were over 100 players available in free agency and more in trades that are better than the players we put on the field, including the ones we chose to sign, and we left 40 mill unspent.

If you think being the worst team in the league and playing waiver wire pickups so Kraft can save money is smart I question your intentions.

One time Belichick “loaded up” in Free Agency the team made the playoffs. The other time he “loaded up” in Free Agency we won SB 36. He spent to the cap throughout the dynasty.
The time he “loaded up” with trades instead of free agency, we went 16-0.

You have this topic completely backward.

 

[Thelonious]

"I bloviate, therefor I be." - Patsfan Heidegger

... sorry, René ...

How'd you get that acute accent to show up? I always have to copy/paste accented words to get the accents.

Esse bloviatere est.

 

[turkeyneck]

How'd you get that acute accent to show up? I always have to copy/paste accented words to get the accents.

juste ça

 

[upstater1]

“Shooting blanks” in free agency when the free agent market is total dogshit is a good thing. Other than a couple of players it was a bunch of overpriced jags that idiot fans wanted their team’s to dole out big bucks to in a desperate bid to get better. Knowing who and when to spend for matters much more than just spending to spend, as Belichick did when he loaded up in free agency and got almost nothing out of it.

Almost nothing is an odd way to put it for Bourne, Peppers, Judon, Godchaux and Henry. If that's nothing, one wonders what fans are really expecting. There were two busts in that group, Algholor and Jonnu.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sure it does. You said Flores was an outlier.

The point I was making was that Flores was an outlier because he still has a high ranking job in the NFL - and doing well.

 

[Thelonious]

juste ça

Now a cedilla, the coolest diacritical mark? I am vanquished.

 

[Thelonious]

I will say that AVP also made some progress last week. He was using motion and Maye also looked better. So it makes me wonder if perhaps AVP is slowly growing as a playcaller as well. Maybe by end of year Mayo and AVP will have kinda figured it out. I don’t think there’s much hope for Covington though, he’s going the wrong way.

I am pretty happy with AVP's work with Drake, so far as I tell, which probably isn't saying much. I still have my doubts about his being the full-on, play-calling OC. I just don't understand why the Krafts half-assed it when it came to building the new management team, coaches and front office. It's almost weird.

 

[turkeyneck]

Now a cedilla, the coolest diacritical mark? I am vanquished.

On this site I just cut and paste as you say.

 

[borg]

I just don't understand why the Krafts half-assed it when it came to building the new management team, coaches and front office.

 

[XLIX]

I made a post yesterday about Mayo's experience (or lack thereof) and it got me wondering... Honest question: Can anyone think of a HC with less coaching experience than Mayo when he took the job? He had 5 years experience when he became HC (and all of it was as a position coach). Please note the following constraints:

1) College coaching experience counts as coaching experience. Some guys have zero NFL coaching experience when they move from college to the pros, but they still have years in college.

2) Interim coaches filling in to finish a season when the HC gets fired does not count. I am talking about an offseason hiring.

3) Let's keep it to fairly recent history. I don't want to hear how in 1933, ole' Goober McClusky took over the Decatur Staleys with no experience

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I made a post yesterday about Mayo's experience (or lack thereof) and it got me wondering... Honest question: Can anyone think of a HC with less coaching experience than Mayo when he took the job? He had 5 years experience when he became HC (and all of it was as a position coach). Please note the following constraints:

1) College coaching experience counts as coaching experience. Some guys have zero NFL coaching experience when they move from college to the pros, but they still have years in college.

2) Interim coaches filling in to finish a season when the HC gets fired does not count. I am talking about an offseason hiring.

3) Let's keep it to fairly recent history. I don't want to hear how in 1933, ole' Goober McClusky took over the Decateur Staleys with no experience

Damn, I was going to bring up Goober.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Almost nothing is an odd way to put it for Bourne, Peppers, Judon, Godchaux and Henry. If that's nothing, one wonders what fans are really expecting. There were two busts in that group, Algholor and Jonnu.

His big spending was on Smith, Agholor, Judon and Henry. Bourne and Godchaux were not big contracts. Smith and Agholor were total busts, Judon was great, and Henry is good when healthy. And that was much better market than the dogshit that was available this market.