Bedard : Its superbowl or bust for BB after Collins trade

[RayClay]

Now that Bedard has shown he wants to emulate shank and give up being a sportswriter, he should just be ignored.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Pulitzer or bust?

Ouch!

 

[luuked]

Coaching staff did blow it last season though, I doubt it'll happen again this year.

Watch some other teams in the league to see what "blowing it" actually means. Overall, the coaching staff did a pretty good job last year under the circumstances and definitely gave it their best shot.


And more generally speaking the entire Collins situation seems to come down to the question what would you rather have: a player with elite potential that frequently does his own thing and doesn't "do his job" or a lesser player that does exactly what his defensive coordinator (and defensive scheme) wants him to do ?

The breakdown that Chatham showed on that 28yd run by the Bills early on opened my eyes to how a single player not doing what they are supposed to do completely screws up the entire defense and the work of countless others.

 

[Deus Irae]

Watch some other teams in the league to see what "blowing it" actually means.

There's no need. We saw it right here in New England.

 

[luuked]

Dan Koppen had an interesting thought about Collins' money: He thinks he is ill advised by his manager in thinking he can get that kind of money since that kind of money is not available on the LB market. Even if he gets top LB money it will be far from Von Miller's .. but ironically close to Pats offer if its true they offered him 11M/y. He would be better off if he had our Miguel for an agent.

Look at Kuechly's contract. And he is a much better all-round player than Collins.

Bottom line: its not about his value at all (otherwise BB would definitely keep him until the end of the season) its about his mind not being on the field. So he sent him towards where his mind is ..

Conceptually I agree with what you are saying but don't forget that the cap is ever-rising so market rates go up and if Kuechly would sign a new contract this offseason I wouldnt be surprised if it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of Von Miller money. Still a few millions off but not that far away.

 

[luuked]

Well to some degree, it was the cumulative effect of bad coaching decisions that cost us homefield advantage. And I know that might seem pathetic to you, but when you consider that football is a game of inches (with a small margin of error) those kinds of in-game decisions can end up having adverse consequences for even the best teams.

Here's where Belichick shares some of the blame for the 2015 season:

1) Allowing Chris Harper, a rookie formerly on the practice squad, to return punts in a crucial road game vs. the Broncos, where he ended up muffing a punt that turned the tide of the game in Denver's favor

2) Having Ebner make a mortar kick against Philly, that gave the Eagles excellent field position to score a TD drive

3) Winning the coin toss in overtime vs. the Jets on the road, but electing for a kickoff that kept the ball out of Brady's hands.

4) The highly suspect and deservedly maligned game-plan vs. the Dolphins in Week 17 (ugh!!!!!!)

Now before you try defending these decisions, I understand the rationale for all of them, and sympathize with Bill and the coaches for having to manage a roster riddled with injuries. He's the greatest NFL coach of all time (arguably second to Paul Brown)

......Of course, had Belichick elected to just kick a FG rather than go for it on 4th down in the AFC title game, would we even need to talk about losing HFA?

God, not this bunch of crap again. All of things you mentioned are completely non-sense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Wasn't it always super bowl or bust? I guess I dont get it lol

Nope, this years goal was to win the AFC EAST, so once Rex conceded on Sunday Belichick was free to start rebuilding.

 

[mosslost]

And if they dont win, should BB step down ? Its so hard to get to the superbowl let alone win it .

no of course not. However, there are actually years when the Super Bowl is right there for the taking, like this year, and last year.

 

[mosslost]

I feel this way every year. Trading Collins doesn't change that.

I dislike this trade as much the next guy, but seriously....what the phuck do I know? Everyone who wants to pounce on BB at the first chance, will squeal about, "In Bill We Trust". Newsflash for those people...give me one name of someone else who could coach, GM and maintain the level of excellence he has and btw still has the GOAT and currently the best record in the NFL. If they lose the next 5 in a row because of their inability to rush the QB, then I'll concede. Until then, it's the same old schtick and "In Bill I Trust" to make me happy on Sunday's between September and February.

I agree. For me, the need to win the Super Bowl this year has nothing to do with Collins. The league is down and the Pats are strong, mostly healthy, and the stars are aligned. We had Collins in 2013, young and strong, but we were otherwise decimated. Last year, we absolutely should have won but we coughed up HFA. Collins had a bad AFGCG too. We lost a home AFCCG in 2012. This year the opportunity is too big. I dont like the idea of giving away Collins during this year. It is no different than a great player going on IR during a SB run. However, this year the team should win the championship.

 

[PP2]

The breakdown that Chatham showed on that 28yd run by the Bills early on opened my eyes to how a single player not doing what they are supposed to do completely screws up the entire defense and the work of countless others.

This alone justifies the trade, or even an outright cut. One has to think about the morale of the other 10 players who busted their asses, only to see it go for naught when one player blows his assignment and gives up a big play.

Of course, Hue Jackson is going to be fine with Collins's freelancing; he's never coached a playoff game much less the Superbowl and so has no idea how one play can change everything.

 

[long distance]

Conceptually I agree with what you are saying but don't forget that the cap is ever-rising so market rates go up and if Kuechly would sign a new contract this offseason I wouldnt be surprised if it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of Von Miller money. Still a few millions off but not that far away.

Maybe. We'll see. It all comes down to guaranteed of course. In any case 11M/y is steep - even w increased cap - for a LB who struggles against the run & is sidelined for a 6th round “undersized“ rookie in one of the most important games of the calendar .. Collins is not Kuechly like CJ is not Von Miller. They were both great draft picks and added some spectacular features to Pats D but were IMO a tad overvalued here. But again, this move is not about Collins' value or the money he's asking. We will miss him dearly on some occasions (and especially if High goes down) .. its a risk .. but obviously BB believes that coherent and passionate unit will give him a better chance than a star player.

 

[luuked]

Of course, Hue Jackson is going to be fine with Collins's freelancing; he's never coached a playoff game much less the Superbowl and so has no idea how one play can change everything.

I think Hue will be happy to actually add genuine talent to that wasteland that is the Cleveland Browns right now.

 

[aluminum seats]

God, not this bunch of crap again. All of things you mentioned are completely non-sense.

Has Bill Belichick ever made a mistake?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

More hawt sportz takez from morons:

Mike ClayVerified account?@MikeClayNFL
@ssbledsoeDFS If I had the choice of Belichick or the @PFF staff to run my front office, I'm taking the latter. And I love BB.

 

[luuked]

Has Bill Belichick ever made a mistake?

Of course.. if you wanna talk about real mistakes he made then lets talk about how he first had Daboll shadow Dante for an entire year to ensure a smooth transition knowing that Scar would retire. But when Goodsey left for the Texans BB decided to make Daboll TE coord and just losing that year of experience Daboll had as an understudy to Dante. This then led to hiring from the outside and Googs becoming the OL coach that according to sources of beat reporters never fully gained the trust to run his OL.

Those are real significant mistakes. Anything that was mentioned in the other post is just hindsight smarts (not kicking FGs against Denver, giving the Jets the ball...) and being attracted to shiny but meaningless things (Ebner kick vs. Eagles).

Again just because something failed it doesn't mean that it was a bad call to do it. The success rate of a play on average and the outcome of one specific instance have nothing to do with each other. You can be on the winning end of a play that historically has a 1% success rate and on the losing end of something with a 95% win rate. And, yet, I know exactly that I'd prefer to go for the 95% thing any time.

 

[Mike the Brit]

In short, IBIT.

I agree.

 

[primetime]

This is basically the Randy Moss trade to the Vikings again. The Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl that year, though they should have. But it had absolutely nothing to do with Randy Moss.

There's a great deal of luck involved in winning the Super Bowl. Rex Ryan may coach the greatest game of his life, Tom Brady may be sick and off his game, a ball may improbably stick to a special teamer's helmet, Stephen Gostkowski may miss his first extra point in a decade, a rookie free agent may intercept a pass at the goal line. These seemingly abnormal moments happen literally every game but are quickly forgotten in the regular season.

Single elimination makes randomness a decisive factor, which is why we love it so much.

 

[aluminum seats]

Of course.. if you wanna talk about real mistakes he made then lets talk about how he first had Daboll shadow Dante for an entire year to ensure a smooth transition knowing that Scar would retire. But when Goodsey left for the Texans BB decided to make Daboll TE coord and just losing that year of experience Daboll had as an understudy to Dante. This then led to hiring from the outside and Googs becoming the OL coach that according to sources of beat reporters never fully gained the trust to run his OL.

Those are real significant mistakes. Anything that was mentioned in the other post is just hindsight smarts (not kicking FGs against Denver, giving the Jets the ball...) and being attracted to shiny but meaningless things (Ebner kick vs. Eagles).

Again just because something failed it doesn't mean that it was a bad call to do it. The success rate of a play on average and the outcome of one specific instance have nothing to do with each other. You can be on the winning end of a play that historically has a 1% success rate and on the losing end of something with a 95% win rate. And, yet, I know exactly that I'd prefer to go for the 95% thing any time.

Let me rephrase. Share a personnel or game management mistake or 2 that Belichick has made.

 

[RobertWeathers]

More hawt sportz takez from morons:

Mike ClayVerified account?@MikeClayNFL
@ssbledsoeDFS If I had the choice of Belichick or the @PFF staff to run my front office, I'm taking the latter. And I love BB.

Who is Mike Clay?

 

[fair catch fryar]

Let me rephrase. Share a personnel or game management mistake or 2 that Belichick has made.

Exactly. BB is probably his harshest critic and probaby would give a longer list of things he would've called differently, but that pursuit of perfection and fine-tuning the smallest things is what makes him the best at what he does. This trade and the Chandler Jones trade may bite him in the ***, but he'll learn from it and move on.