BB in damage control mode regarding Brady's departure

[gobesmug]

The Saints have the worst cap management in the NFL.
The 2020 Patriots were not the 2022 Saints. One team being in a condition to have to cut and restructure players to get under the cap means nothing about another team, with an entirely different cap structure freeing up 70 mill they don’t have.
I know you want to believe it, but you are wrong.
If you think they could have, show me how. Without losing players.

The Saints and Patriots operate in the same rules.

Again you are hurt and the facts make you feel bad. The pats could have manipulated the cap like any other team in the NFL does.

Kraft got cheap and didn't want to, end of story.

 

[Ring 6]

They could, Kraft doesn't want to.

Do you not follow FA at all?

The Saints were -70mil in capspace this year. How do you think they got back into the positive?

Hint, they restructured contracts into future years

The saints have 13 practice squad players in there top 51 and only got under the cap because Brees retired. You are arguing the Patriots who were flush against the cap after Brady left, could create 70 mill of cap room if he stayed.
The Saints are 33 million over the 2023 cap with 38 players signed.
You seem to be saying the right way to run a franchise is to mismanage the cap and get worse every year. Great plan.

 

[Ring 6]

The Saints and Patriots operate in the same rules.

Again you are hurt and the facts make you feel bad. The pats could have manipulated the cap like any other team in the NFL does.

Kraft got cheap and didn't want to, end of story.

The Saints and the Patriots were not in the same position.
You know that. Give examples of how the patriots could have paid Brady, freed yo that money and another 70 million without losing players . You won’t because it doesn’t exist.
Do you often complain to your wife that you didn’t run up a bunch of credit cards and file bankruptcy, because those people know how to manipulate?

 

[venecol]

The Saints have the worst cap management in the NFL.
The 2020 Patriots were not the 2022 Saints. One team being in a condition to have to cut and restructure players to get under the cap means nothing about another team, with an entirely different cap structure freeing up 70 mill they don’t have.
I know you want to believe it, but you are wrong.
If you think they could have, show me how. Without losing players.

Saints didn't cut any players and had a $100M turn-around from (-) to (+) cap space. Look it up yourself how they did it.

 

[Ring 6]

The Saints and Patriots operate in the same rules.

Again you are hurt and the facts make you feel bad. The pats could have manipulated the cap like any other team in the NFL does.

Kraft got cheap and didn't want to, end of story.

Kraft got cheap?
He decided he wanted to let Brady go so he could spend the money a year later?
He has spent to the cap every year. You are in a dream world.

Here you go
Show me his you save 70 million.

 

[venecol]

Not keep thuney means taking a step backward. You can always gain cap money by getting rid of players, but that doesn’t improve your team.

A step backward from 7-9 and Cam Newton at QB? Ok then.

 

[Ring 6]

Saints didn't cut any players and had a $100M turn-around from (-) to (+) cap space. Look it up yourself how they did it.

Yes they did cut players.
And they are 33 million over next years cap with 38 players signed.
They got under the cap because they had high salary and high cap number players that they converted to lower this years cap and strangle future ones. The patriots did not have that situation.
But you know that.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I've come to the conclusion that Kraft should be the one blamed for Brady leaving.

It absolutely is Kraft’s fault. He could’ve told Bill to extend Brady before 2019 but didn’t. Only after Brady left he said he would’ve matched any offer Tom got in FA.

Why wouldn't Bill want to maximize his last few years coaching by going all in on Brady.

According to Bill, he did. The media has laughed at his definition of “going all in” during the 2020 season where Bill took a beating by the media.

 

[venecol]

Yes they did cut players.
And they are 33 million over next years cap with 38 players signed.
They got under the cap because they had high salary and high cap number players that they converted to lower this years cap and strangle future ones. The patriots did not have that situation.
But you know that.

No they didn't. They may not have signed back some of their own FAs, but they didn't cut any under contract (one retired).

 

[Ring 6]

A step backward from 7-9 and Cam Newton at QB? Ok then.

Try to follow along. The suggestion was that since the Patriots had 70 million in 2021 they could have just kept Brady in 2020 and spent that future 70 million a year early when they didn’t have it.

 

[Ring 6]

No they didn't. They may not have signed back some of their own FAs, but they didn't cut any under contract (one retired).

They cut their LT and are eating 12 million in dead money, for one.
And letting players walk because you can’t afford them is the same thing, you mismanaged your cap into a degradation of talent.

 

[Ring 6]

No they didn't. They may not have signed back some of their own FAs, but they didn't cut any under contract (one retired).

But if you really want to tell me how great the Saints cap management is let’s take a look.

Michael Thomas will cost 28 mill to keep and 25 million to cut next year
Marshaen Lattimote will cost 22 milll to keep and 44 mill to cut
Cam Jordan 26 mill to keep 23 mill to cut
Ryan Ramcyk a RT will cost 21 to keep 40 to cut
Andrus Peat, a G 18 mill to keep 17 to cut
Demario Davis a 34 year old lb 13 mill to keep 12 to cut
Taysom Hill 13 mill to keep 22 to cut

This is what you endorse and want the Patriots to copy?

 

[venecol]

Try to follow along. The suggestion was that since the Patriots had 70 million in 2021 they could have just kept Brady in 2020 and spent that future 70 million a year early when they didn’t have it.

That's not what is being said at all. You need to stop moving the goal posts.

 

[Boomer B]

They could have paid Brady. They could not have paid Brady and improved the roster without rebuilding.
An appeal to authority to Scott Zolak is an interesting new dodge though.

Dodge? nope. Just trust his opinion more than yours. They could have re-signed Brady and also reshaped the roster by moving money around, kinda like how many other teams are doing it.

 

[venecol]

They cut their LT and are eating 12 million in dead money, for one.
And letting players walk because you can’t afford them is the same thing, you mismanaged your cap into a degradation of talent.

Lol, Armstead was an UFA. The #1 FA! He wasn't cut. Buy yourself a clue.

 

[venecol]

But if you really want to tell me how great the Saints cap management is let’s take a look.

Michael Thomas will cost 28 mill to keep and 25 million to cut next year
Marshaen Lattimote will cost 22 milll to keep and 44 mill to cut
Cam Jordan 26 mill to keep 23 mill to cut
Ryan Ramcyk a RT will cost 21 to keep 40 to cut
Andrus Peat, a G 18 mill to keep 17 to cut
Demario Davis a 34 year old lb 13 mill to keep 12 to cut
Taysom Hill 13 mill to keep 22 to cut

This is what you endorse and want the Patriots to copy?

Again moving the goal posts. You said it couldn't be done. We gave you an example. One of many. It most certainly could have been done. You are wrong.

 

[gobesmug]

Kraft got cheap?
He decided he wanted to let Brady go so he could spend the money a year later?
He has spent to the cap every year. You are in a dream world.

Here you go
Show me his you save 70 million.

Not keep Thuney on his FA tag.

Signing bonuses to Chung, Mccourty, Hightower, and some other vets to spread the cap into the future

Brady’s death pill caphit that hit if a new contract wasn't done on the new year.

There were a lot of options, which would have required borrowing future capspace.

Every team has to spend close to the cap every year. The difference is paying future money.

For simplification, say the cap is always 100mil. That means an owner expects to pay a salary of 93-100mill in annual expenses.

Now if a team wanted to gain salary advantages, they could borrow from cap space, say 10mil a year for the next 4 years, to give an added 40mil in spending for the current year.

Here is the thing, now the owner has to pay out 140mil instead of just 100mil.

Now they could keep borrowing each year after and effectively they would be spending 110-140mil every year in salaries instead of 100mil.

That's why Kraft is cheap, he doesn't want to operate spending beyond the cap every year

 

[Ring 6]

That's not what is being said at all. You need to stop moving the goal posts.

Yes that is exactly what was said

I have zero emotional reasons, I've been perfectly happy watching Brady play with actual weapons and watching an organization treat him like the GOAT.

Again, since you seem to be obtuse, the money the pats spent last offseason to be a wildcard team having the most embarrassing playoff loss of all time, could have been spent the year before

 

[Ring 6]

Not keep Thuney on his FA tag.

Signing bonuses to Chung, Mccourty, Hightower, and some other vets to spread the cap into the future

Brady’s death pill caphit that hit if a new contract wasn't done on the new year.

There were a lot of options, which would have required borrowing future capspace.

Every team has to spend close to the cap every year. The difference is paying future money.

For simplification, say the cap is always 100mil. That means an owner expects to pay a salary of 93-100mill in annual expenses.

Now if a team wanted to gain salary advantages, they could borrow from cap space, say 10mil a year for the next 4 years, to give an added 40mil in spending for the current year.

Here is the thing, now the owner has to pay out 140mil instead of just 100mil.

Now they could keep borrowing each year after and effectively they would be spending 110-140mil every year in salaries instead of 100mil.

That's why Kraft is cheap, he doesn't want to operate spending beyond the cap every year

So you degrade the roster by losing Thuney.

Chung retired. Hightower opted out. McCourty had no where near the amount of savings available.

Your Brady comment makes no sense.

There were NOT a lot of options. They lost players off the 2019 team, they had dead money. They did not have contracts that could readily free up much money without being stupid.

You can’t “borrow” from the future cap. I see now why your posts are so bizarre, you do not understand the cap.
I suggest you go do some studying on how the cap works. Borrow from the future, Jesus.

 

[venecol]

Yes that is exactly what was said

He didn't mean the entire $70M and you know it. That's not how it's done. It would have required dipping into 2021, 2022, and maybe a small amount of 2023 to spread out the signing bonuses.