BB dragged Jones out of the field with him at the end of the game

[203Pat]

Look back several posts and you can see talk about Brady being THE REASON the Pats won in 2001 (scoring 13 points on offense in the Super Bowl) and how he made the defense immediately play better.

The sole reason? No of course not but I would say he was the main reason. He made the throws when it counted. I don't know why that is a controversial statement.

 

[Rob0729]

We tried to. But it started getting brigaded by the same people who complained to mods about the Brady cult brigading the main board.

Don't blame me. I never complained to the mods. People can say whatever they want about Brady in that forum.

 

[TheRainMaker]

LOL! Yes, you got me for entertaining your stupidity. You got me there.

Lol. You may want to re-read the conversation and see where you messed up.

 

[Triumph]

Many people on this board are in heavy denial over this. I remember Ron Jaworski also saying the difference between the two was that Brady was able to "process information" much quicker. Pats were 0-2 and wouldn't have made the playoffs without a competent QB at least moving the ball to score some points and give your D a rest. In fact, every year when a team started 0-2, the question would be asked if any team could turn it around as the chances of making the playoffs after starting 0-2 was slim to none.

If the D was the real "reason" for their success, Bill would've inserted Bledsoe right back in the lineup when cleared to play.

I was at the 2001 Cincinnati game before Bledsoe got hurt.

Watching the NE offense was like riding on a roller coaster. Bledsoe would complete text book throw and the next 2 passes were low and away in the dirt. I never really got the impression that Bledsoe was in control and that it would boil down to a Hail Mary.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah, I admit I know I am unsuccessful when you cultist cannot admit the truth about anything. But I try to educate you even though you are uneducable.

Right…keep telling us about how an increase from 16 ppg (2000 season, first two games of 2001) to 24 ppg (final 14 games of 2001), a pro bowl in 2001, leading the league in TD passes in 2002, finishing as runner up MVP in 2003, a pro bowl in 2004, a consensus top-5 standing by analysts, and two individual Super Bowl MVPs during that timeframe was just the result of “pretty good play” and nothing close to elite. Keep citing your silly eye tests and out of context stats. It’s always fun beating you like a drum…you and your same tired, meaningless argument.

 

[Rob0729]

The sole reason? No of course not but I would say he was the main reason. He made the throws when it counted. I don't know why that is a controversial statement.

The defense was clearly the main reason the Pats won. That isn't in dispute. The defense shut down the Greatest Show on Turf. The defensive playbook for that game is in the Hall of Fame. The defense carried the team that year.

Brady was a big piece, but the defense and the special teams won the AFCCG. The defense shut down Martz's offensive juggernaut in the Super Bowl. Ty Law had as many TDs in the Super Bowl as the Patriots offense.

It is controversial because it isn't true. And it is disrespectful to the defense.

 

[Foxypats]

And you have decided Mac doesn’t belong after just 3 games ! Thank god you’re not a coach, you would have given up on every rookie QB, even the great ones since most of them had bad to mediocre first seasons !!

 

[Rob0729]

Right…keep telling us about how an increase from 16 ppg (2000 season, first two games of 2001) to 24 ppg (final 14 games of 2001), a pro bowl in 2001, leading the league in TD passes in 2002, finishing as runner up MVP in 2003, a pro bowl in 2004, a consensus top-5 standing by analysts, and two individual Super Bowl MVPs during that timeframe was just the result of “pretty good play” and nothing close to elite. Keep citing your silly eye tests and out of context stats. It’s always fun beating you like a drum…you and your same tired, meaningless argument.

How many points did the offense score in the AFCCG? How much of those points were while Brady was on the field?

And how many PPG did the Pats score in 2003? How much did they give up per game?

Again, Brady was a good QB in 2001 and far better than Bledsoe who sucked in the Pats offense. He gets a lot of credit for that year, but the defense that team that year. They were the main reason the Pats won the Super Bowl. Why is this such a swipe at Brady?

Why is it so bad to admit that Brady wasn't a finished product when he first got into the league and the Pats were a defensive focused team in the early dynasty years and didn't rely on Brady to win?

 

[203Pat]

The defense was clearly the main reason the Pats won. That isn't in dispute. The defense shut down the Greatest Show on Turf. The defensive playbook for that game is in the Hall of Fame. The defense carried the team that year.

Brady was a big piece, but the defense and the special teams won the AFCCG. The defense shut down Martz's offensive juggernaut in the Super Bowl. Ty Law had as many TDs in the Super Bowl as the Patriots offense.

It is controversial because it isn't true. And it is disrespectful to the defense.

The defense was very good that year but had Brady not taken over at QB it would have been a footnote that no one ever saw. If Drew didn't get hurt the team was likely to be around the same 5-11 team they were year before so how can the defense really get most of the credit?

 

[condon84]

The sole reason? No of course not but I would say he was the main reason. He made the throws when it counted. I don't know why that is a controversial statement.

The way Brady contained Faulk was really key in stopping that Rams offense. Let's not forget Brady scoring a touchdown after interceping Warner too. And Brady will be the first kicker in the NFL to enter the Hall of Fame imo.

 

[Rob0729]

Lol. You may want to re-read the conversation and see where you messed up.

Didn't mess up at all. I didn't say any other QB. I said there were other QBs in the league. I mean good QBs, not back ups. And you know it.

 

[Rob0729]

The defense was very good that year but had Brady not taken over at QB it would have been a footnote that no one ever saw. If Drew didn't get hurt the team was likely to be around the same 5-11 team they were year before so how can the defense really get most of the credit?

Then you are saying Mo Lewis was THE REASON the Pats won the Super Bowl. Because it was getting Bledsoe out of the starting line up and replacing him with a QB who could run the Pats' offense and not Brady specifically. Peyton Manning could have won a Super Bowl with the Pats that. Maybe Favre (although he was a bad fit schematically). And probably 3-5 other top QBs could have assuming they were a good scheme fit.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How many points did the offense score in the AFCCG? How much of those points were while Brady was on the field?

And how many PPG did the Pats score in 2003? How much did they give up per game?

Again, Brady was a good QB in 2001 and far better than Bledsoe who sucked in the Pats offense. He gets a lot of credit for that year, but the defense that team that year. They were the main reason the Pats won the Super Bowl. Why is this such a swipe at Brady?

Why is it so bad to admit that Brady wasn't a finished product when he first got into the league and the Pats were a defensive focused team in the early dynasty years and didn't rely on Brady to win?

Nope…not falling for this again. Maybe someone else wants to annihilate you.

 

[Rob0729]

The way Brady contained Faulk was really key in stopping that Rams offense. Let's not forget Brady scoring a touchdown after interceping Warner too. And Brady will be the first kicker in the NFL to enter the Hall of Fame imo.

Isn't it amazing how Brady was a three way player in 2001.

It is sad that people feel the need to rewrite history to make the career of the GOAT QB even better than it was. Brady's career with the Patriots will never be duplicated because it was so special. We don't need to rewrite history to make him some kind of God who made the Pats defense play better than they could because he stepped foot on the field.

 

[203Pat]

The way Brady contained Faulk was really key in stopping that Rams offense. Let's not forget Brady scoring a touchdown after interceping Warner too. And Brady will be the first kicker in the NFL to enter the Hall of Fame imo.

Oh yes I forgot there was absolutely nothing that happened in any of the 16 games before that. Silly me.

 

[Rob0729]

Nope…not falling for this again. Maybe someone else wants to annihilate you.

I hope someone else does. You are just not up to the challenge. Why not send your best Brady cultist. I am tired of dealing with peons like you who insult my intelligence.

 

[203Pat]

Then you are saying Mo Lewis was THE REASON the Pats won the Super Bowl. Because it was getting Bledsoe out of the starting line up and replacing him with a QB who could run the Pats' offense and not Brady specifically. Peyton Manning could have won a Super Bowl with the Pats that. Maybe Favre (although he was a bad fit schematically). And probably 3-5 other top QBs could have assuming they were a good scheme fit.

So your argument is that because a few other hall of fame QBs could have won with our roster in 2001 that somehow negates what Brady did?

 

[Rob0729]

Oh yes I forgot there was absolutely nothing that happened in any of the 16 games before that. Silly me.

You seem to want to put blinders on with the AFCCG where the Pats' offense only scored ten points and only after Brady went out. Or where the Patriots held the high powered Raiders' offense to 13 points in the division round while offense scored 16 (although Brady played great at the end of that game despite the fumble that wasn't a fumble).. Or how from the first of November on, the Pats only had one game where they gave up more than 17 points (the high powered Rams) and while the Patriots offense scored 17 points or less six times over that stretch.

 

[Rob0729]

So your argument is that because a few other hall of fame QBs could have won with our roster in 2001 that somehow negates what Brady did?

Manning wasn't a HOF caliber QB in 2001. And I said 3-5 other QBs that year. So including Manning and Favre, there were between five to seven QBs in the NFL in 2001 who are or will be in the Hall of Fame? Please name them.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Didn't mess up at all. I didn't say any other QB. I said there were other QBs in the league. I mean good QBs, not back ups. And you know it.

And what makes you think other QB's would've been a good fit? The supporting cast on offense was dog sh*t. The $100M man couldn't get it done but a 6th round no namer could? And you're assuming the Pats have the luxury of just plucking another "good QB" off of another team during that season. Come on.

Or where the Patriots held the high powered Raiders' offense to 13 points in the division round

They were playing in a storm. They get a beat down with clear skies as they did a year later. Brady and the Pats Cinderella season ends that night.