B.G.C. 2019 NFL Draft/Patriot-Type Players Thread

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Sep 27th

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This post has been coming for a while now. The only reason I didn't make it sooner is because I wanted some more time to pass, but even in such a short amount of time it has become clear that @BaconGrundleCandy is one of the finest posters to ever grace this board. The sheer amount of information he has delivered to us in a mere 3 years has eclipsed mainstream websites supposedly dedicated to doing the same.

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Dude this is so nice & quite the honor! Really appreciate it Bob! Definitely have to step it up now, no nonsense.

Decided on individual threads for all positions. If their eligible Ill talk about them in the "WR", "QB" thread

Going to start w either WR or QB. Both groups could be really special. Lots of underclassmen so 2021 could be good as well but I see 2020 as a biggie.

Guys like Tua & Herbert are almost locks to come out. Love & Redder had great years in their own respect, they get there again & they'll be talked about as lottery picks. Seriously everyone needs to watch both rn.

WR's I'm gonna start w either Tyler Johnson (PTP all day) or Laviska Shenault. Please hold all WR1 takes until you watched both. JJ is absolutely worthy & likely but both these guys are special imo. Shenault is a beast. Honestly his physicality is something else. So excited!!!

Thanks again Bob! 2020!!!!


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Simmons is around 6'3/230 :eek:

This RB class is pretty sick tho. Been a while since RB/WR/QB could be this loaded. Tackle looks pretty good as well. 2-3 top 40-50 Centers. Edge actually should compete w this years class, another good one. Havent dived too much into IDL but it's obviously not as good near the top. Havent dived into CB/S too much.


2nd Team Getting Their First Start
2019 NFL DRAFT GRADES (Will upload w the rest later)
9.5 - 9.9 = ELITE/HOF
8.5 - 9.4 = IMPACT/STARTER
8.0 - 8.4 = FUTURE STARTER
6.0 - 6.4 = TAKE A SHOT
5.5 - 5.9 = TAKE A SHOT
5.0 - 5.4 TAKE A SHOT

Bosa 8.74
Allen 8.66
Burns 8.58
Sweat 8.48
Gary 8.44
Ferrell 8.33
Omenihu 8.16
Winovich 8.14
Banogu 8.10
Allen 8.03
Polite 8.02
Collier 7.40
Miller 7.40
Nelson 7.39
Crosby 7.31
Ferguson 7.28
J Davis 7.22
M Reed 7.22
J Hollins 6.95
Walker 6.90
Brailford 6.88
Gustin 6.79
Ximines 6.76
Jelks 6.75
Ray 6.74
Jackson 6.70
Bryant 6.64
S Miller 6.62
G Green 6.44
Granderson 6.40

Haskins 8.18
Murray 8.12
Lock 8.12
Grier 8.05
Jones 8.00
Rypien 8.00
Jackson 7.90
Finley 7.90
Stick 7.59
Thorson 7.42
Stidham 7.20
Minshew 7.10
Shurmur 6.90
Ta'amu 6.48

Williams 9.02
Oliver 8.99
Simmons 8.55
Tillery 8.48
Wilkins 8.38
Lawrence 8.30
Wren 8.17
Jones 8.16
Broughton 7.97
Hill 7.77
Gaines 7.75
Watts 7.70
Saunders 6.90
Wise 6.80
Christmas 6.73
Willis 6.70
Russell 6.68
Keke 6.64
Beckner 6.60
Slayton 6.50
Jefferson 6.40
Cowart 6.33

Butler 8.40
Deebo 8.37
AJ Brown 8.20
Hall 8.20
DK 8.15
H Brown8.08
Hardman 8.01
Boykin 7.60
Sills 7.45
T Brady 7.44
Slayton 7.40
D Johnson 7.35
Hart 7.10
A Johnson 7.07
D Mitchell 7.03
Hurd 6.90
Renfrow 6.88
Dortch 6.80
K Doss 6.76
C Thompson 6.75
O Johnson 6.40
P Williams 6.40
Custis 6.30

Dillard 8.53
Williams 8.53
Taylor 8.42

Little 8.20
Cajuste 7.70
Howard 7.12
Evans 7.00
Edwards 6.80
Udoh 6.20
Hyatt 6.10
Nijman 6.06
Roemer 6.02
Edoga 6.00

Hockenson 8.58
Fant 8.55
Knox 8.23
Smith 8.20

Oliver 8.18
Warring 8.18
Moreau 7.95
Sample 7.86
Raymond 7.30
Sternberger 7.16
Nauta 6.87
Smith 6.81
Sweeney 6.28
Wilson 6.27
Wesco 6.27
K Brown 6.25
Parham 6.20
Conrad 6.20
Mack 6.10

Lindstrom 8.55
Risner 8.50
Ford 8.10
McGary 7.55
Davis 6.94
Samia 6.60

Bars 6.60
Prescod 6.50
McGovern 6.50
Froholdt 6.48
Stallings 6.45
Bates 6.40
Jordan 6.30
Herbig 6.26
Allegretti 6.25

CGJ 8.20
Adderley 8.16
Hooker 8.13
Abram 8.12
Thornhill 8.08
Savage 8.05
Rapp 8.03
Thompson 8.02
Edwards 7.70
Harris 7.59

Willis 6.55
Amadi 6.53
Blair 6.33
J Johnson 6.30
Gant 6.20
Redwine 6.03
Tell 5.80

Jacobs 7.98
Sanders 7.98
Anderson 7.95
Harris 7.94
Henderson 7.88
Hill 7.88
Montgomery 7.84
D Thompson 7.59
T Williams 7.55

Barnes 7.44
J Williams 6.99
Armstead 6.48
Gaskin 6.45
Holyfield 6.40
Snell 6.40
Weber 6.37

Scarlett 6.34
Mattison 6.30
Scott 6.23

Bradbury 8.54
McCoy 7.99
Jenkins 7.40
Deiter 6.88
Galliard 6.39

Murphy 8.33
Williams 8.30
Oruwariye 8.20
Baker 8.10
Love 8.02
Ya-Sin 8.00
Dean 7.97
Bunting 7.93

Layne 7.90
Mullen 7.89
L Johnson 7.87
J Williams 7.85
Fields 7.66
Long 7.60
Baity 7.56
I Johnson 7.50
M Jackson 7.33
J Miller 7.21
Crawford 7.10
Boyd 7.08
Sheffield 7.08
Moreland 6.99

Bush 8.48
Wilson 8.20
White 8.20
Cashman 8.08
Pratt 7.96
Summers 7.90
T Watson 7.77
Orereke 6.99
S Smith 6.86
BBK 6.60
Tranquill 6.50
Alaka 6.48
Long Jr 6.46
Barton 6.45
Hanks 6.40

Tavai 6.33
Giles-Harris 6.22
Edwards 6.30
Hanson 6.09

*Edit* Missed/Added Watson & Smith & a few others. Last few days have been long.
Curious why you rated Gary over Winovich. His uber athleticism didn’t translate into day 1 or really even day 2 level production in college, what makes him a borderline impact starter vs superior competition? He screams bust to me.


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Curious why you rated Gary over Winovich. His uber athleticism didn’t translate into day 1 or really even day 2 level production in college, what makes him a borderline impact starter vs superior competition? He screams bust to me.
My bad I haven't been on here & didn't see this until now.

Yea that's not uncommon when talking about Gary. I can see why some would think that tbh. A bit of a high risk/reward player.

My biggest concern w Gary is the inconsistencies from play to play. Honestly not impressed w the development for as much praise as the coaches get there. Sure it could be on him but I didn't see a player that ran hot/cold, was clueless or anything glaring like that.
I saw a guy that played his butt off w almost no plan when rushing the passer & someone who was consistently put in situations that forced him to eat up doubles sometimes triple teams. Its all over the film, coaches & players jave talkes about it.
That said he proved he can eat up doubles almost all day long. Hes a + run defender. Very good all around. Lateral quicks, anchor, chase, strong hands. He still has room to improve there but could be a fine defender in that area.

Pass Rush needs work but this is where I come back to coaching. What can you do vs what you're asked to do. They did him 0 favors here. Again it could be all on him but look at what he was tasked to do. I remember quite a few plays that he took on multiple defenders so Winovich got 1 on 1 or Bush had a clear, unimpeded path to the QB.

I see a guy w a ton of upside if untapped but also performed well w what he was doing at Michigan.