Are Patriots Giving Butler away for a 2nd Round Pick?

[RayClay]

What if Butler is just trying to use the Saints as leverage and get some more money from the Patriots? Lets say the Patriots offered Butler 7m a year for 3-4 years and he turned it down and maybe the Saints offer 8-9m a year there is nothing stopping the Patriots matching the offer. The media sometimes starts to assume things before they happen. And until this deal goes down I am going to be optimistically hoping Butler is coming back for another year and maybe even signs an extension.

That's always possible. I don't know what the current relationship is there. Seems to be past that point, but no one on the outside knows.

 

[ausbacker]

You are correct. However, it isn't a slave market. If Butler isn't happy and doesn't have complete focus, he could hurt the team. See Collins and many other examples. Team chemistry is important over all else.

Which does further strengthen my point that from the outset, Butler's agent has misread the situation and given his client very, very poor advice. If Butler goes on to be traded and make money, good for him.

 

[RayClay]

Which does further strengthen my point that from the outset, Butler's agent has misread the situation and given his client very, very poor advice. If Butler goes on to be traded and make money, good for him.

I 100% agree with that point, so it looks like you were trying to argue with someone else. The dipshit is negotiating as if he was a UFA instead of an RFA.

 

[RayClay]

Which does further strengthen my point that from the outset, Butler's agent has misread the situation and given his client very, very poor advice. If Butler goes on to be traded and make money, good for him.

I was only arguing that you can't force someone to be a good team mate and play hard. Some times a clean break is necessary, in which case BB is due compensation.

 

[ausbacker]

I 100% agree with that point, so it looks like you were trying to argue with someone else. The dipshit is negotiating as if he was a UFA instead of an RFA.

I was only arguing that you can't force someone to be a good team mate and play hard. Some times a clean break is necessary, in which case BB is due compensation.

Indeed, you may have gotten involved in a discussion I was having with another poster.

 

[RayClay]

Indeed, you may have gotten involved in a discussion I was having with another poster.

It happens.

 

[XLIX]

Which does further strengthen my point that from the outset, Butler's agent has misread the situation and given his client very, very poor advice. If Butler goes on to be traded and make money, good for him.

Seems to me that Butler is on the verge of getting a big deal in NO, where he would be happy playing, and it is quite a bit more than NE offered.

How that equates to "bad advice" from his agent is a complete mystery.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

I hope not, i hate the idea of trading him for a 2nd i'd rather make him play it out and him leave for a 3rd round comp pick in a year.

The secondary looks so much better with Butler in it and i just don't see what you can get from a 2nd round pick that makes it worth it.

We should be asking for 32 back or keeping Butler.

 

[captain stone]

By rule, any team that signs to an offer sheet a restricted free agent who has been tendered at the first-round level is obligated to pay the team losing that player its highest first-round pick, should the other team decide not to match.

In this case, NO would be obligated to give NE the 11th overall pick in the 2017 draft. Period.

I don't give a rat's feckin ass what wink-wink nudge-nudge deal Bill and his buddy Sean had discussed during the Cooks situation. If Sean signs Butler to an offer sheet, then he owes us #11. At worst, Bill should demand #32 & 42, AND NOT ONE FECKIN PICK LOWER.

Stop doing solids for your buddies, Bill. You have a golden opportunity to set up the franchise for the rest of Brady's years, and perhaps beyond them (provided you make the smart picks, of course; not always a given with you). Do NOT feck this up.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I don't give a rat's feckin ass what wink-wink nudge-nudge deal Bill and his buddy Sean had discussed during the Cooks situation. If Sean signs Butler to an offer sheet, then he owes us #11.

Which is why NO will not be signing Butler to an offer sheet.

At worst, Bill should demand #32 & 42, AND NOT ONE FECKIN PICK LOWER.

Belichick can demand all he wants. That's not going to make anyone pay the demand if they don't want to.

It all comes down to whatever Belichick's goal is. If he prefers moving Butler for draft picks now rather than keeping him for 2017 then Belichick is going to have to take what the market will bear.

 

[Blackluck]

They don't have leverage if they agreed to a trade a week ago.

Call me paranoid, but then Goodell begins Tradegate and docks the Saints and NE their 2018 1st round pick.

I think the evidence suggests (i.e. NFLHQ's vendetta against NE) there was no such quid pro quo in the Cook trade.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I am just about Butlered out at this point.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I am just about Butlered out at this point.

This will require a lot of patience on our part. Even if MB and the saints come to an agreement, Butler has to come back to NE and sign his tender. Then NE has to come to an agreement with the saints about a trade (i'm sure they have already agreed to the terms). My guess is that this won't be finished before the weekend.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Which is why NO will not be signing Butler to an offer sheet.



Belichick can demand all he wants. That's not going to make anyone pay the demand if they don't want to.

It all comes down to whatever Belichick's goal is. If he prefers moving Butler for draft picks now rather than keeping him for 2017 then Belichick is going to have to take what the market will bear.

3.9 million for the season is a good deal for the Patriots, I'd keep him unless they give the #32 in return. They may well have best defense in football with him this season, and I would rather have Lombardi #6 and get a 3rd for him than take a chance on his replacement and get a 2nd. If they get #32 they can get a really good Corner prospect they will have under control the next 5 years and that's really good value as well.